Trump gives classified info to russians

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Dude, "seriously believe?" No one has to seriously believe anything when they believe that they have a bulletproof excuse for all their inconsistency, lack of intellectual rigor, and the absence of respect for either self or others.

You're not comprehending what he's up against, the whole reason we're talking about the Russians is precisely because of the existential threat he poses to the most corrupt people on earth. All I know that the truth isn't anything close to what we're hearing in the news. The MSM is effectively a propaganda outlet for the DNC (which itself is controlled by criminals like the Clintons now married with some good old fashioned Chicago style politics) and their corporate masters, it's seditious what they have been doing with their bold faced lies and continuance of fake news. There are a lot of factions in American politics fighting for control and I am not talking about ideology, this hasn't been a peaceful transfer of power.

American political corruption is relatively tame in comparison to that of the kleptomaniacal oligarchs and old guard KGB "Deep State" ruling Russia.

You need to educate yourself and get woke, son! The truth is out there but you have to work for it, trusting any media outlet in this atmosphere needs multiples levels of verification and that doesn't mean "unnamed sources".

Also, there is no Russian scandal and I don't think you know very well apparently, I'm not some crazy anti-Russian xenophobe.

Is it tho? Think about who really rules America, "kleptomaniacal oligarchs and old guard KBG deep state" doesn't sound too different from our country (where we give our kleptomaniacal oligarchs nicer titles) to be honest especially with this old guard 'intelligence community' deep state rearing its ugly head.

Our vote still matters. Otherwise, your Orange Messiah wouldn't have been elected had he not won fair and square with an antiquated electoral college by taking key states. Can you honestly say that's the case in Russia since Yeltsin was forced into retirement? So while corporate elites would like to see the end of one man, one vote, that hasn't been nullified yet, as in Russia.
As for your other post - pray tell what other sources of information am I supposed to depend on if not the media? Facebook? Some internet site peddling conspiracy theories? Those have all the validity of graffiti written on a restroom stall. And just what's wrong with the mainstream media? That they don't air the alternative facts being vomited out of the Trump White House?
As for your charge of Russophobia - I fail to see what other position I can take, as the spy master Putin attempts to manipulate legitimate elections in order to plant the seeds of new strongman regimes, who tries to gobble up his neighbors, and who is behind the persecution of unpopular minorities in Russia. Those unpopular minorities are today the gays, but at one time long ago, they had been Russian Germans, Jews, Balts, and others. And then there's his long history of political assassination - or are you going to deny that any of that is true?

And the continuing invasion of Ukraine.

I'd put that under trying to gobble up his neighbors, which I counted among his sins.

Fair enough. The range of the gobbling operations boggles my mind. I just heard a NPR story about the continuing invasion of Ukraine, so I felt like boots on the ground deserves its own mention. I suppose we'll soon hear that it's fake news, deliberately misreporting on freedom fighters unaffiliated with Russia. Or perhaps, it will be that Russia has every right to the Crimean peninsula.

Does our vote matter? It's not seeming like that with the difficulties Trump is having with rogue 'intelligence agencies'. Yeltsin wasn't forced into the retirement, he was despised in Russia and I think that's what's hard for some folks to understand who have this idealized vision of the pro-Western Yeltsin but it's easy to understand when you look at what happened to Russia under Yeltsin's rule why there is such a antithesis there for western neoliberalism.

The MSM is a propaganda arm for its special interests, those interests do not include truth telling or fairness but rather their corporate and ideological masters, you can't trust anybody and nothing should be taken at face value because there are always more to the overarching narrative they are pushing.

I don't see things as very different in this country as they are in Russia, we are two countries that share more in common than we do apart including the bad parts. The US meddles in far more elections than Russia ever has, RT and falsely attributing Wikileaks does not constitute "meddling" in the same way the US does it. Gays aren't persecuted in Russia, just because they're not allowed to have gay pride parades and have a conservative religious culture does not mean they are oppressed since it's not illegal to be be gay in the Russia like it is in say Saudi Arabia where they put you to death. Forget about gay pride parades, in Saudi Arabia just playing music in public is illegal yet there is no where near to moral grandstanding against the Saudis as there is the Russians when they're much worse offenders. This is also of course relative to our common enemy ISIS who throws gays off the tops of buildings and burn them alive in cages.

Gay rights are important and I'm not talking about the right to dance down a street in a leather thong & feather boa, just the right to live and be free from violence is a right that a lot of people on this planet don't have. You can kind of parallel it to western feminism who aren't oppressed at all and complain about everything in comparison to women all across the globe who are seriously oppressed and killed because they are women. Sex-selective abortion should be a huge feminist issue but the baby killing industry in the US is too important to take a moral stand on that because if that's wrong then maybe abortion itself is wrong

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No, things aren't as bad for gays in Russia as they are in Saudi Arabia. That said, it's also true that gays are being tortured ind murdered in Chechnya, with no government intervention. Even in the more westernized parts of Russia, homophobes get away with physical humiliation and intimidation, if not even murder.
Yes, my vote counts, in that I have no doubt that the elected powers that run this country still have to consider pissing me off and not getting reelected.
When is any political opposition facing assassination in America? And you would have a point about Trump facing rogue intelligence agencies trying to undermine him, except that those agencies aren't rogue, and their charges have a great deal of meat to them.

Chechnya is a difficult situation, the cost of peace in that region is a brutal warlord like Ramzan Kadyrov who even Putin struggles to control. What is happening there warrants attention but that is a relatively new story and something Islamic inspired rather than anything from Putin or the rest of Russia.

What meat? There is none, no substance at all. All vague insinuations with no direct accusations of wrong doing, it's meaningless.

Trump definitely has reason to be weary of these people, mind you I believe JFK was murdered by the same cabal of people that control this country today so it's not like it's such an unbelievable thing. Also Seth Rich, the source of DNC leaks, was shot in the back twice and left for dead in what they call a 'robbery gone wrong' with nothing stolen.

perhaps John Podesta can shed some light on what happened to Seth Rich...

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-email ... #efmAGSAH-

Michael Hastings...

Oh we got killers for sure.

Conspiracy theories around Rich's death are products of Fox news' fevered imagination. If anything, it's more a matter of Fox being hardly any better than a supermarket tabloid.
The Kennedy Assasination most likely was perpetrated by Anti-Castro fanatics who had been on the CIA's payroll as contract agents and contacts, carrying on a secret, non-stop war against Cuba of guerrilla action, assassinations, and sabotage, before and after the Bay of Pigs disaster. Eventually, the Kennedy administration ordered they be cut loose in favor of more sane assets (they hated Kennedy as much as they hated Castro), but continued carrying on their own covert operations under the patronage of organized crime and big oil. It was these people who Oswald had had contact with in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, which was a hotbed for the Anti-Castro underground. After the President was murdered, the CIA covered it's a$$ because of their past associations with the conspirators, and created the single shooter myth. But as far as the American intelligence community actually carrying out the assassination... I don't see much in the way of evidence to support that, anymore than the "mafia did it" theories. And if there was the CIA behind the plot, all the perpetrators are doubtlessly in the grave now, and unable to persecute the Orange Messiah.
The fact that all of Trump's people have associations with Russia, often illegally during the Presidential campaign - a fact the Trump and company are desperately trying to hide - says there is plenty of meat on those bones. That, and how Trump met with top Russian diplomats, one a spy recruiter himself, in a meeting open only to the Russian media, in which Trump gave up classified intelligence, does nothing to dissuade these charges.

We got the transcript. DJT comes off as an ignorant blowhard.

Managers, don't rag on your former employees for laughs.

The president is allowed to declassify and share information with anyone he or she pleases. That said, was it a good move? Being under investigation for collusion with Russia, immediately after firing the person heading that investigation, then passing classified information we haven't even shared with our allies to the Russians for nothing more than an ego stroke. No I don't think that was a good move at all, from an international relations perspective (our allies can't be too pleased), a domestic perspective (wreaks of corruption), nor a politics perspective (this will be one of those events that just keeps coming back up again and again). So yes, Trump was well within his legal authority, but did the US gain anything? Hell, did Trump even gain anything aside from a five minute braggart's high?