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15 Jun 2017, 2:38 pm

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No, this is not justifiable, but it is understandable. As I said before, this is what happens when people feel disenfranchised and disempowered politically.

It was a strike against the government. I wonder if the civil war has already begun.

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15 Jun 2017, 3:02 pm

@cyberdad: Didn't Trump denounce David Duke?

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15 Jun 2017, 3:24 pm

Trump's answer to radical Reconstruction --
"When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice."

And, there is a conspiracy theory, about Trump's Jewish son-in-law, leveraging financial influence, to achieve Mid East peace.

If I was David Duke, Trump would not have to denounce me; I would have to call Trump the lesser of two evils.

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15 Jun 2017, 3:28 pm

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@cyberdad: Didn't Trump denounce David Duke?

I'll answer. First, Trump met Duke, and said he didn't want Duke in the Freedom Party. Then, when Duke endorsed Trump for president, Trump said he never heard of the guy and would not denounce Duke or the other racists who endorsed him for months on end. Finally, Trump made a tepid denunciation.

He met the minimum standard for a denunciation, after dragging his heels for months.

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15 Jun 2017, 4:20 pm

androbot01 wrote:

GoonSquad wrote:

No, this is not justifiable, but it is understandable. As I said before, this is what happens when people feel disenfranchised and disempowered politically.

It was a strike against the government. I wonder if the civil war has already begun.

I don't think we will ever see another civil war in the US. Any rebellion would be ruthlessly crushed by the military first.
However, I do think we could see a lot more civil unrest and a lot more political assassination.

On the upside, Congressmen/Senators might stop acting like a**holes if they think it could get them killed.

Many Dems and GOP[h]ers are all over cable news today calling for a 'toning down' of partisan rhetoric.

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15 Jun 2017, 4:56 pm

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I don't think we will ever see another civil war in the US. Any rebellion would be ruthlessly crushed by the military first.

The military is made up of people. Their views are probably as opposed to the other as the rest of the population's. If the States start shifting, who knows what will happen.

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15 Jun 2017, 8:17 pm

Seems like people are rationalizing this use of political violence, if you think its that things are bad then its not going to get better with violence because it's going to have the opposite effect. You're not going to 'scare' Republicans into doing what you want, you're going to harden their resolve and escalate the violence.

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15 Jun 2017, 8:32 pm

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You are rationalising this act as if it was part of an organised left wing conspiracy. Hodgekinson was a lone wolf with personal gripes against republicans.

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15 Jun 2017, 8:32 pm

We're not in a civil war.

Just another nut (yes there are both left wing and right wing nuts; this one was a left wing nut).

The vast majority of people are rational people who can have opinions, but don't have to get violent about them.

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15 Jun 2017, 8:42 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

@cyberdad: Didn't Trump denounce David Duke?

jrjones9933 wrote:

Then, when Duke endorsed Trump for president, Trump said he never heard of the guy and would not denounce Duke or the other racists who endorsed him for months on end. Finally, Trump made a tepid denunciation.
He met the minimum standard for a denunciation, after dragging his heels for months.

Yes this was my analysis as well. According to the Huff post Trump has been consistently evasive or non-committal on publicly taking a position on David Duke.

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15 Jun 2017, 8:48 pm

Trump said he didn't know David Duke from Adam, basically. And I believe him.

He didn't keep up on this stuff until recently. He really was not much of a politician until this idea about becoming President cropped up circa 2015.

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15 Jun 2017, 8:49 pm

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Lest we forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... rack_Obama

So their plan is to break that record? Maybe they already have. In less than a year even.

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Threats are made on presidents and other government officials all the time, and they all should be taken seriously... Very rarely does someone take action.

Does anyone remember what happened to Ronnie Reagan when he went from B grade actor to right wing maniac?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted ... ald_Reagan

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15 Jun 2017, 9:04 pm

cyberdad wrote:

EzraS wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Lest we forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... rack_Obama

So their plan is to break that record? Maybe they already have. In less than a year even.

SH90 wrote:

Threats are made on presidents and other government officials all the time, and they all should be taken seriously... Very rarely does someone take action.

Does anyone remember what happened to Ronnie Reagan when he went from B grade actor to right wing maniac?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted ... ald_Reagan

The Reagan assignation attempt by Hinckley was not politically motivated. Although it was motivated by a mentally unhealthy bizarre unrealistic obsession over someone, so maybe it is applicable in that sense.

One of the hoped for democratic candidates for president in the next election is former SNL comedian Al Franken.

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15 Jun 2017, 9:17 pm

Hinckley wanted to impress his crush, actress Jodie Foster.

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15 Jun 2017, 10:13 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

You are rationalising this act as if it was part of an organised left wing conspiracy. Hodgekinson was a lone wolf with personal gripes against republicans.

Yeah, but lone wolves killed two Kennedys, MLK, and nearly killed George Wallace tried to kill Gerald Ford...

One motivated nut can do a lot. Also, there were a lot of small domestic terrorist groups operating in the 60s and 70s... robbing banks, planting bombs, etc. I could see that kind of thing happening again...

These days liberals are buying guns too.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345

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16 Jun 2017, 1:03 am

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cyberdad wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

You are rationalising this act as if it was part of an organised left wing conspiracy. Hodgekinson was a lone wolf with personal gripes against republicans.

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A variation on the old saying "a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged"

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