So Asperger's is a mitigating circumstance for rape?

Page 5 of 5 [ 79 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5

friedmacguffins
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,539

02 Jul 2017, 4:35 pm

Quote:
Mcmuffin


Though a macguffin is just a plot twist, "fried" macguffins were a treat, in a children's cartoon, btw.



Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 49,138
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

02 Jul 2017, 4:39 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
Body modification is an elective form of surgery, supposedly in response to stress. I don't see what makes it any different from people, who cut themselves.


Plenty of people see piercings as body art; nothing masochistic about it. And even if this young woman had any sort of issues, that DOES NOT make her complicit in her own rape.


_________________
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


hurtloam
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Mar 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,747
Location: Eyjafjallajökull

02 Jul 2017, 4:42 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Mcmuffin: why are you ignoring everyone else's responses except mine?


Yep



karathraceandherspecialdestiny
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 22 Jan 2017
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,857

02 Jul 2017, 4:45 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
I thought I was covering it all.

It's possible that you are not an extremist, and would not take credit for everything which has been said, in your own corner.

I am not making anything up.


No, what you're doing is misattributing extremism to everyone who calls themselves a feminist. Misattribution is not "making things up" but it is a logical error.



XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

02 Jul 2017, 4:46 pm

Certain posters have been permanently banned due to repeated sexism.

Carry on.


_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (no longer a moderator)


jrjones9933
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 May 2011
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,144
Location: The end of the northwest passage

02 Jul 2017, 4:47 pm

I prefer McMuffin. The only time I would ever eat one was as a driver for disabled protesters :skull:


_________________
"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade


karathraceandherspecialdestiny
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 22 Jan 2017
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,857

02 Jul 2017, 4:48 pm

Ah well, he'd already thoroughly lost the argument anyway.



Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,127
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

02 Jul 2017, 5:43 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
I don't feel guilty, for telling people not to hurt themselves, as a form of stress release, or for any other reason.

I don't feel like hurting other people, or watching them get hurt.



Getting tattoos and piercings isn't the same thing as self harm that people indulge in with the intention of hurting themselves. yes it can be a bit painful...but you know what so can working out, plenty of people body build and it can be painful with all the muscle stretching and ripping....would you advise body builders not to body build because it hurts?

Getting tattoos and peircings is not 'getting hurt' I doubt anyone with a peircing or tattoos would appreciate your pity. Also you say you don't feel like hurting other people or watching them get hurt....yet the things you have said in this thread don't really seem to reflect that. You've basically said a rape victim was asking for it because she's gotten tattoos...that is a pretty, judgmental nasty thing to say which would probably hurt this woman if you said it to her.


_________________
Eat the rich, feed the poor. No not literally idiot, cannibalism is gross.


cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

02 Jul 2017, 5:52 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
I thought I was covering it all.

It's possible that you are not an extremist, and would not take credit for everything which has been said, in your own corner.

I am not making anything up.


No, what you're doing is misattributing extremism to everyone who calls themselves a feminist. Misattribution is not "making things up" but it is a logical error.

I'll get my 2 cents in before this thread gets shut down

It's interesting that many Aspie males are choosing to reflect values from a lot of males on nuerotypical online forums. In this case male centric misogynistic views against females whereby the reasons for not being able to get a job, get a girlfriend or have a life is because of affirmative action (insert feminism here). The ever familiar moaning about too much given to women (insert other minority group here) at the expense of (insert white) men.



karathraceandherspecialdestiny
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 22 Jan 2017
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,857

02 Jul 2017, 6:37 pm

cyberdad wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
I thought I was covering it all.

It's possible that you are not an extremist, and would not take credit for everything which has been said, in your own corner.

I am not making anything up.


No, what you're doing is misattributing extremism to everyone who calls themselves a feminist. Misattribution is not "making things up" but it is a logical error.

I'll get my 2 cents in before this thread gets shut down

It's interesting that many Aspie males are choosing to reflect values from a lot of males on nuerotypical online forums. In this case male centric misogynistic views against females whereby the reasons for not being able to get a job, get a girlfriend or have a life is because of affirmative action (insert feminism here). The ever familiar moaning about too much given to women (insert other minority group here) at the expense of (insert white) men.


Could it be a version of the social masking autistic females are known for, to try to get in socially with that neurotypical male crowd? Are they just mimicking the behaviour, or is it genuine animus? It's hard to tell. Maybe a mix of both? Or perhaps it's that they mimic it until they start to believe it.



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

03 Jul 2017, 12:17 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Could it be a version of the social masking autistic females are known for, to try to get in socially with that neurotypical male crowd? Are they just mimicking the behaviour, or is it genuine animus? It's hard to tell. Maybe a mix of both? Or perhaps it's that they mimic it until they start to believe it.


To be a fair a lot of young men (nuerotypical and aspie) are feeling disenfranchised and powerless due to the changing economic landscape. They are attributing their struggle to competing with women and minorities in the workplace whom they feel are taking their jobs.

Feminism and affirmative action are blamed when in reality, companies are moving offshore or outsourcing labor or just not able to compete with foreign competitors anymore.



karathraceandherspecialdestiny
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 22 Jan 2017
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,857

03 Jul 2017, 3:14 pm

cyberdad wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Could it be a version of the social masking autistic females are known for, to try to get in socially with that neurotypical male crowd? Are they just mimicking the behaviour, or is it genuine animus? It's hard to tell. Maybe a mix of both? Or perhaps it's that they mimic it until they start to believe it.


To be a fair a lot of young men (nuerotypical and aspie) are feeling disenfranchised and powerless due to the changing economic landscape. They are attributing their struggle to competing with women and minorities in the workplace whom they feel are taking their jobs.

Feminism and affirmative action are blamed when in reality, companies are moving offshore or outsourcing labor or just not able to compete with foreign competitors anymore.


So it is genuine animus? That makes me sad. Sure it's misdirected, but that isn't much comfort to those of us being hated on and attacked by them unfairly. They're punching down instead of up. How disappointing.



ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 37,902
Location: Long Island, New York

03 Jul 2017, 4:49 pm

cyberdad wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Could it be a version of the social masking autistic females are known for, to try to get in socially with that neurotypical male crowd? Are they just mimicking the behaviour, or is it genuine animus? It's hard to tell. Maybe a mix of both? Or perhaps it's that they mimic it until they start to believe it.


To be a fair a lot of young men (nuerotypical and aspie) are feeling disenfranchised and powerless due to the changing economic landscape. They are attributing their struggle to competing with women and minorities in the workplace whom they feel are taking their jobs.

Feminism and affirmative action are blamed when in reality, companies are moving offshore or outsourcing labor or just not able to compete with foreign competitors anymore.


Women have been dominant on campus for a long time. The the hot careers today available are in "female friendly" areas such as health care. The skills in demand today as we discuss in relation to Autism are people, networking, group work also "female friendly". As noted in the article females have gone into what was male dominated fields but men have generally not gone into "female" fields. This has changed the use of language and culture and acceptable behavior. Males generally have adjusted poorly or not at all.

The SJW/politically correct views are held by a minority of females but are the most public face of these changes and are a social media phenomenon which is one of if not the main means of communication for millennial men. This is eqivilant to pouring salt in a wound.


_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman


karathraceandherspecialdestiny
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 22 Jan 2017
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,857

03 Jul 2017, 5:15 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Could it be a version of the social masking autistic females are known for, to try to get in socially with that neurotypical male crowd? Are they just mimicking the behaviour, or is it genuine animus? It's hard to tell. Maybe a mix of both? Or perhaps it's that they mimic it until they start to believe it.


To be a fair a lot of young men (nuerotypical and aspie) are feeling disenfranchised and powerless due to the changing economic landscape. They are attributing their struggle to competing with women and minorities in the workplace whom they feel are taking their jobs.

Feminism and affirmative action are blamed when in reality, companies are moving offshore or outsourcing labor or just not able to compete with foreign competitors anymore.


Women have been dominant on campus for a long time. The the hot careers today available are in "female friendly" areas such as health care. The skills in demand today as we discuss in relation to Autism are people, networking, group work also "female friendly". As noted in the article females have gone into what was male dominated fields but men have generally not gone into "female" fields. This has changed the use of language and culture and acceptable behavior. Males generally have adjusted poorly or not at all.

The SJW/politically correct views are held by a minority of females but are the most public face of these changes and are a social media phenomenon which is one of if not the main means of communication for millennial men. This is eqivilant to pouring salt in a wound.


You're right, we women deserve to be hated by men because we have the nerve to go to college and get jobs now and make them look bad. It's really cruel and unfair to them (especially when we go on social media and brag about being able to go to college and get jobs!) and it's no wonder they lash out at us. We totally deserve the misogyny, and feminist SJWs are cancer.

/s



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

03 Jul 2017, 11:06 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
So it is genuine animus? That makes me sad. Sure it's misdirected, but that isn't much comfort to those of us being hated on and attacked by them unfairly. They're punching down instead of up. How disappointing.

I think socio-cultural factors must be taken into consideration. Traditionally young men were seen as the "breadwinners" and their roles were fairly stable. But as the job market is shrinking and become more diversified and more competitive many of these men are unemployed or "underemployed" and are perceived as no longer contributing and not valued. When you combine Aspergers (or Autism) to this situation then the frustration over their predicament can lead to lashing out against women. Although I don't approve of this "lashing out", I can relate to this as a younger man remembering how I felt women had just too high an expectation even for just dating. I was educated and good looking but gave up (was happy to be alone) but was very lucky to meet and marry somebody from a non-English speaking background with "traditional values" (I should stress this just is my experience)

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Women have been dominant on campus for a long time. The the hot careers today available are in "female friendly" areas such as health care. The skills in demand today as we discuss in relation to Autism are people, networking, group work also "female friendly". As noted in the article females have gone into what was male dominated fields but men have generally not gone into "female" fields. This has changed the use of language and culture and acceptable behavior. Males generally have adjusted poorly or not at all.

The SJW/politically correct views are held by a minority of females but are the most public face of these changes and are a social media phenomenon which is one of if not the main means of communication for millennial men. This is eqivilant to pouring salt in a wound.

Yes this probably is a contributing factor. Client service courses (health, business) roles are dominated by female students.While engineering and IT related work remains male dominated (and infact has increased) unfortunately the competition with males from Asian backgrounds in these fields (plus outsourcing to Asia) has effectively closed this avenue for a lot of us nerds

But remember that during WWII women were forced to "leave the kitchen" and help in the war effort in a number of workplaces. After the war and well into the 1950s and 1960s social movements normalised the changing role of a professional woman and by the 1970s-1980s the age of the male breadwinner was coming to an end.