One Of The Biggest Icebergs Has Broken Loose In Antarctica
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Say goodbye to glaciers!
"The Real News" videos have a pretty low amount of viewership. Isn't there something more substantial?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I'll take that as a no.
Fine. Take this you insufferable prick.
http://www.global-greenhouse-warming.com/glacial-retreat.html
I googled "impact of glacial retreat". This was literally the first result. You didn't even try. Quit being an ultracrepidarian. Stick to subjects that you know about.
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eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Animal species have always been going extinct, whilst many new species are discovered yearly.
The extinction rate is much higher than it used to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
Additionally, many coastal cities are at risk thanks to climate change.
Or it could be that extinction rates are just being kept track of more as time progresses. For instance scientists estimate we have discovered less than 10 per cent of the species on our planet. As they discover more, that doesn't mean that more are coming into existence or more are becoming extinct. It just means they're keeping greater track of species. But they are still just scratching the surface.
Coastal cities are at risk according to climate change science prediction models. Computer models can me designed to say whatever the designers want them too.
No,amphibians are going extinct.All China's turtles are extinct (except for a few zoo specimens they are desperately trying to breed)China Girl is one of the last Yangtze River turtles alive.They ate them into extinction or destroyed their habitat.
That's an entirely different issue from extinction due to a change in climate.
Amphibians and other animals such as polar bears are in decline because of climate change.
http://www.amphibiaweb.org/declines/ClimateChange.html
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eric76 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
man made global warming in action...
We need more Global Warming.
The disaster will be when this warm period, the Eocene, ends and we enter the next period of glaciation which should last more than 100,000 years. When that happens, starvation and death by starvation will become very common because a cooler Earth cannot support nearly as much life as a warmer Earth.
There will almost surely be wars over the dwindling resources.
I'll happily take Global Warming any day.
The upcoming ice age will be arise due to very slow changes. We will have plenty of time to adapt.
Additionally, the upcoming ice age won't happen for thousands of years. I will live long enough to see the harmful effects of anthropogenic global warming.
Climate "skeptics" don't seem to understand how big numbers work.
HINT: 10 years and 1 million years are not the same thing.
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eric76 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So the earth has undergone dramatic climate changes over the millennia that have had absolutely nothing to do with man made emissions.
Those changes in the past were gradual, the measured changes in the last 100 years have been relatively dramatic
Have you ever heard of the Younger Dryas, a cold period lasting more than 1,000 years during the Holocene? Those changes, both entering that cold period and emerging from it were very quick, perhaps in as short as 10 or 20 years.
If we were to have another period like that, the population of the Earth would plummet. It would not be surprising if 8 or 9 out of 10 people died from it.
What kind of logic is this? Have I wandered into Wonderland?
"Catastrophic global cooling occurred thousands of years ago, so we should cause catastrophic global warming right now ... just to be safe."
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EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Then who do you suggest we get climate information from,a politician? Exxon Evecutive?
There's no practicality in going from one extreme to another.
Misslizard wrote:
The majority of people are blind to what's going on.
Since when is someone like me a part of the majority?
Misslizard wrote:
Maybe the air is nice and clean where you live,but that's not the case for most urban dwellers around the world. You think it's all good,it's not.That is why I say you're eating the blue pill.
Actually I live in an urban area within the Seattle metroplex. And up until 2014 I lived in Las Vegas which is listed as one of the 25 most polluted cities in the US. So the first part of the parroted "blue pill taker" accusation you picked up, is based on assuming the person spent their life way out in the country were they can actually see lots of stars at night, which certainly isn't the case with me.
The second part assumes the person is a purely subjective thinker and their opinion is based on their microcosm. Now since I have mainly experienced being in polluted urban areas, that's not going to apply me. However I could subjectively decide global warming is a myth based on the fact that it was so cool today going into late July, that I had to wear a hoodie to stay comfortably warm. But that's not how I think because I am very aware of the flaw in that type of thinking. Which is way I always strive for objectivity.
So do you still see me as eating the blue pill based on the conditions you gave?
Misslizard wrote:
Just some interesting trivia on the Matrix,the Dalai Lama thinks it's a great film.Very similar to some of the Bhuddist teachings.
I've known for a long time that many consider The Matrix be a rip off of The Invisibles comic series who's protagonist may become the next Buddha. So that's probably where that comes from.
No way is Las Vegas as polluted as a urban area in the third world with no emissions control.A friend of mine was in a large city in Nepal and she said the air was positively thick.
Of corse there are variations in climate.Your cool spell is probably normal for your area.Just like the extreme drough we had here a few years back,no rain for months and temps of 111 for weeks.Id didn't think it was climate change,this area goes thru extremes like that.Climate scientists study the data.We did get bumped from zone 6 to zone 7,so to me that's more relevant than one hot summer.Ive also seen it 15 below zero here and I didn't think a glacier was heading this way.Just anothe extreme this area goes thru.Its the big picture and how the stats add up over years of research.
If you don't believe the scientists ,who would you suggest we get out info from?
The scientist that have studied the data are the minority on this planet.The majority of people are too busy trying to survive to have the time or interest to know what's happening.They are too occupied trying to find a crust of bread,dodge a bomb,or pay the rent.Another group is too young,sick,or old to care.Some have no interest because they have a nice car,home ,etc and they just can't be bothered with unpleasantness.Some have their bread buttered by dirty energy,profit over people everytime.Some can't grasp the science and some are in denial.So yes,that's why I lump you in with the blue pill folks.
Not sure if the Dalai Lama reads comic books,maybe.He is an interesting person.Very pro science.
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DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Say goodbye to glaciers!
"The Real News" videos have a pretty low amount of viewership. Isn't there something more substantial?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I'll take that as a no.
Fine. Take this you insufferable prick.
http://www.global-greenhouse-warming.com/glacial-retreat.html
I googled "impact of glacial retreat". This was literally the first result. You didn't even try. Quit being an ultracrepidarian. Stick to subjects that you know about.
But that's not a video. I don't want to read all that. Can't you find a viral video narrated by someone like James Earl Jones? Also it would help if the narrator talks slowly and doesn't use big words like ultracrepidarian. Thanx.
Misslizard wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Animal species have always been going extinct, whilst many new species are discovered yearly.
The extinction rate is much higher than it used to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
Additionally, many coastal cities are at risk thanks to climate change.
Or it could be that extinction rates are just being kept track of more as time progresses. For instance scientists estimate we have discovered less than 10 per cent of the species on our planet. As they discover more, that doesn't mean that more are coming into existence or more are becoming extinct. It just means they're keeping greater track of species. But they are still just scratching the surface.
Coastal cities are at risk according to climate change science prediction models. Computer models can me designed to say whatever the designers want them too.
No,amphibians are going extinct.All China's turtles are extinct (except for a few zoo specimens they are desperately trying to breed)China Girl is one of the last Yangtze River turtles alive.They ate them into extinction or destroyed their habitat.
That's an entirely different issue from extinction due to a change in climate.
Amphibians and other animals such as polar bears are in decline because of climate change.
http://www.amphibiaweb.org/declines/ClimateChange.html
Killing a species for food or destroying their habitat is not climate change.
eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Animal species have always been going extinct, whilst many new species are discovered yearly.
The extinction rate is much higher than it used to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
Additionally, many coastal cities are at risk thanks to climate change.
Or it could be that extinction rates are just being kept track of more as time progresses. For instance scientists estimate we have discovered less than 10 per cent of the species on our planet. As they discover more, that doesn't mean that more are coming into existence or more are becoming extinct. It just means they're keeping greater track of species. But they are still just scratching the surface.
Coastal cities are at risk according to climate change science prediction models. Computer models can me designed to say whatever the designers want them too.
No,amphibians are going extinct.All China's turtles are extinct (except for a few zoo specimens they are desperately trying to breed)China Girl is one of the last Yangtze River turtles alive.They ate them into extinction or destroyed their habitat.
That's an entirely different issue from extinction due to a change in climate.
Amphibians and other animals such as polar bears are in decline because of climate change.
http://www.amphibiaweb.org/declines/ClimateChange.html
Killing a species for food or destroying their habitat is not climate change.
Destroying habit is one of the factors in climate change.Mass burning of land to be cleared adds more carbon to the atmosphere.Becuse of climate disruption more pressure is put on some species since people will resort to wild caught foods if they can't grow their own.
I did not say all the turtles were being driven into extinction by climate change.It was in reference to the Holocene extinction,which climate change is a factor in for some species.
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Misslizard wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Animal species have always been going extinct, whilst many new species are discovered yearly.
The extinction rate is much higher than it used to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
Additionally, many coastal cities are at risk thanks to climate change.
Or it could be that extinction rates are just being kept track of more as time progresses. For instance scientists estimate we have discovered less than 10 per cent of the species on our planet. As they discover more, that doesn't mean that more are coming into existence or more are becoming extinct. It just means they're keeping greater track of species. But they are still just scratching the surface.
Coastal cities are at risk according to climate change science prediction models. Computer models can me designed to say whatever the designers want them too.
No,amphibians are going extinct.All China's turtles are extinct (except for a few zoo specimens they are desperately trying to breed)China Girl is one of the last Yangtze River turtles alive.They ate them into extinction or destroyed their habitat.
That's an entirely different issue from extinction due to a change in climate.
Amphibians and other animals such as polar bears are in decline because of climate change.
http://www.amphibiaweb.org/declines/ClimateChange.html
Killing a species for food or destroying their habitat is not climate change.
Destroying habit is one of the factors in climate change.Mass burning of land to be cleared adds more carbon to the atmosphere.Becuse of climate disruption more pressure is put on some species since people will resort to wild caught foods if they can't grow their own.
I did not say all the turtles were being driven into extinction by climate change.It was in reference to the Holocene extinction,which climate change is a factor in for some species.
The Holocene is all about Climate Change. Without Climate Change, there would be no Holocene -- we would still be in a period of glaciation.
And you are making one of the biggest mistakes commonly seen by those panicked by Global Warming -- that warmer means less food. In reality, the Earth is far more productive when it is warm than when it is cold. Warmer means more food, not less food. Want to see what happens when it is cooler? Just look a couple of hundred years ago during the period known as the Little Ice Age. In some places, people were having to grind up tree bark to use as flour because they could not grow enough. And that is just mildly cooler.
A major reason why there is very little starvation today like there was during the Little Ice Age is precisely because it is warmer and therefore it is far easier to grow food.
The scary thing about Global Warming is not that it might be happening, but that it might not be happening.
/\I'm not panicked.That will be for those born later.
Warmer can mean more food,but only if it rains.It was warm enough during the dust bowl years,but lack of precipitation meant no crops and topsoil blowing away.
On the flip side too much rain floods crops and delays planting.
Climate change causes climate extremes,too much rain at the wrong time can be just as bad as no rain.
As you most likely know,nobody wants rain when the hay is cut and hasn't dried enough for baling.
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Protip For Everyone in This Thread: Potholer54 makes great videos on this subject. Watch them.
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Misslizard wrote:
/\I'm not panicked.That will be for those born later.
Warmer can mean more food,but only if it rains.It was warm enough during the dust bowl years,but lack of precipitation meant no crops and topsoil blowing away.
On the flip side too much rain floods crops and delays planting.
Climate change causes climate extremes,too much rain at the wrong time can be just as bad as no rain.
As you most likely know,nobody wants rain when the hay is cut and hasn't dried enough for baling.
Warmer can mean more food,but only if it rains.It was warm enough during the dust bowl years,but lack of precipitation meant no crops and topsoil blowing away.
On the flip side too much rain floods crops and delays planting.
Climate change causes climate extremes,too much rain at the wrong time can be just as bad as no rain.
As you most likely know,nobody wants rain when the hay is cut and hasn't dried enough for baling.
While it was dry during the dust bowl, the real problem leading to the dust storms was one of poor farming practices. A number of people in my area who remembered the drought of the dust bowl and the drought of the 1950's said that the drought of the 1950's was worse.
You are assuming that people would still be growing the same crops. In reality, the crops grown would surely change as farmers plant what is best for the climate.
eric76 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
/\I'm not panicked.That will be for those born later.
Warmer can mean more food,but only if it rains.It was warm enough during the dust bowl years,but lack of precipitation meant no crops and topsoil blowing away.
On the flip side too much rain floods crops and delays planting.
Climate change causes climate extremes,too much rain at the wrong time can be just as bad as no rain.
As you most likely know,nobody wants rain when the hay is cut and hasn't dried enough for baling.
Warmer can mean more food,but only if it rains.It was warm enough during the dust bowl years,but lack of precipitation meant no crops and topsoil blowing away.
On the flip side too much rain floods crops and delays planting.
Climate change causes climate extremes,too much rain at the wrong time can be just as bad as no rain.
As you most likely know,nobody wants rain when the hay is cut and hasn't dried enough for baling.
While it was dry during the dust bowl, the real problem leading to the dust storms was one of poor farming practices. A number of people in my area who remembered the drought of the dust bowl and the drought of the 1950's said that the drought of the 1950's was worse.
You are assuming that people would still be growing the same crops. In reality, the crops grown would surely change as farmers plant what is best for the climate.
I think others have answered your posts to me but I'll address this one
Drought is often caused by a number of factors. Cyclic weather effects called the El Nino effect are thought to result in unseasonal droughts. Land clearing impacts the transpiration cycle reducing rainfall.
Farmers in the mid west of the US used poor farming practice resulting in loss of valuable topsoil and causing dustbowls that you speak of.
Misslizard wrote:
No way is Las Vegas as polluted as a urban area in the third world with no emissions control.A friend of mine was in a large city in Nepal and she said the air was positively thick.
Of corse there are variations in climate.Your cool spell is probably normal for your area.Just like the extreme drough we had here a few years back,no rain for months and temps of 111 for weeks.Id didn't think it was climate change,this area goes thru extremes like that.Climate scientists study the data.We did get bumped from zone 6 to zone 7,so to me that's more relevant than one hot summer.Ive also seen it 15 below zero here and I didn't think a glacier was heading this way.Just anothe extreme this area goes thru.Its the big picture and how the stats add up over years of research.
If you don't believe the scientists ,who would you suggest we get out info from?
The scientist that have studied the data are the minority on this planet.The majority of people are too busy trying to survive to have the time or interest to know what's happening.They are too occupied trying to find a crust of bread,dodge a bomb,or pay the rent.Another group is too young,sick,or old to care.Some have no interest because they have a nice car,home ,etc and they just can't be bothered with unpleasantness.Some have their bread buttered by dirty energy,profit over people everytime. Some can't grasp the science and some are in denial.So yes,that's why I lump you in with the blue pill folks. Not sure if the Dalai Lama reads comic books,maybe.He is an interesting person.Very pro science.
Of corse there are variations in climate.Your cool spell is probably normal for your area.Just like the extreme drough we had here a few years back,no rain for months and temps of 111 for weeks.Id didn't think it was climate change,this area goes thru extremes like that.Climate scientists study the data.We did get bumped from zone 6 to zone 7,so to me that's more relevant than one hot summer.Ive also seen it 15 below zero here and I didn't think a glacier was heading this way.Just anothe extreme this area goes thru.Its the big picture and how the stats add up over years of research.
If you don't believe the scientists ,who would you suggest we get out info from?
The scientist that have studied the data are the minority on this planet.The majority of people are too busy trying to survive to have the time or interest to know what's happening.They are too occupied trying to find a crust of bread,dodge a bomb,or pay the rent.Another group is too young,sick,or old to care.Some have no interest because they have a nice car,home ,etc and they just can't be bothered with unpleasantness.Some have their bread buttered by dirty energy,profit over people everytime. Some can't grasp the science and some are in denial.So yes,that's why I lump you in with the blue pill folks. Not sure if the Dalai Lama reads comic books,maybe.He is an interesting person.Very pro science.
You lump me in with the blue pill folks, which is a term you were taught to use, because I'm not a member of the club you belong to. In order to get away from the stigma of being called a blue pill person, all I have to do is agree with what your club says about climate change. I really don't even have to know much about it, I just have to go along with it. Several of the articles and videos I've seen posted in threads like these aren't even by actual scientists. They're produced by other members of the club.
Also I said the Dali Lama likes the Buddhist leanings of the Matrix because it's a take off of the Invisables which obviously has Buddhist leanings since the protagonist is supposed to be the next Buddha. If you got that I'm saying the Dali Lama reads comic books out of that, then you clearly misunderstood what I was saying.
nineinchnailsfan93 wrote:
Lintar wrote:
nineinchnailsfan93 wrote:
Im just sitting here looking at the comments by conservatives on how they think they have all the "facts" to refute the EVIDENCE that global warming is a huge part of our modern reality. But then again theyre the same people who believe that a jewish street preacher in the middle east is iconic because hes "the son of god".
A lazy 'ad hom' attack. I'm not a 'conservative' by any means; just the opposite in fact, but I prefer facts to pointless and unsubstantiated claims that are specifically designed to scare people silly.
Theres mountains of evidence stating that global warming and climate change is occurring, granted there are some over exaggerated claims from people that believe in climate change, how ever its still a pretty major concern. And im not stating that the end of the world because of it will happen in our life time or even 200 years from now. im just saying that we need to take the statistics into consideration. I believe we need more cleaner energy and make it cheap for the consumer in order to at least help out the planet. And im not saying all climate change deniers are conservatives, but most of them are, lets be honest. But regardless of that factor it was a joke, lighten up.
Oh okay, it was a "joke". It sure didn't seem like one. It might have been a good idea to put a smiley face after it, like this




EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Climate change is a more a accurate description than global warming.
Follow the science.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Follow the science.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
I believe the rebuttal to that is it's based on models. That the way it's been determined what carbon dioxide levels have been over the last 400,000 years is guesswork based on models designed by them to provide the data they want. How much are we supposed to trust the agency that faked moon landings?
Here's an interesting article: http://www.dailywire.com/news/9767/9-th ... n-bandler#
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global ... ediate.htm
What 97% of "climate change science" scientists agree according to climate change science websites? Kinda reminds me of the claim that 4 out of 5 dentists recommend chewing Trident gum.
Yes, the people who run the 'skepticalscience' website are not exactly impartial when it comes to the examination of the evidence. They will gladly link to other sites that back up the point they are trying to make, the ones that agree with them, but ignore any that express the slightest hint of scepticism (which is rather ironic when you consider what they call themselves).
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