Government considers reforming gender identity rules

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I don't want to educate you about transgender people. The information is out there, more and more research is being done all the time. You can use google, I assume. I'm not going to hunt down all the evidence to prove to you that being transgender is not a mental illness. I just want you to stop attacking them here. I don't have the energy anymore to argue with hateful people, reason doesn't penetrate their anger and emotional arguments. You don't want to learn about trans people and what is really going on in their bodies, in their brains, you just want to judge and spew hatred and misinformation about them. I'm not going to help you do that by engaging as if you were seeking a genuine discussion.

In other words, you just can't be bothered, and would rather just hurl insults (because it is just so much easier to do). If you really believed this issue to be important enough, important enough to get all hot and bothered about, then you would gladly welcome an opportunity - any opportunity - to "educate" someone who is apparently misinformed about this issue. See it as a challenge, perhaps, or just an attempt to set someone straight. What is there to lose (apart from time)?

I've gone against the "consensus" on another issue here at W.P. - global warming. The discussion has remained civil, and no one has become upset that I don't believe it to be occurring. They've provided evidence they believe supports their view, and I've done the same. That's how online discussions should be.

I'm not an activist, a social worker, or a teacher. It's not my job to cure you of your ignorance. I just find transphobia unpleasant and would like people not to express it around me, same with racism and homophobia and other forms of bigotry. It's grating and it takes the tone of discussion down into the gutter.

The issue of transsexuality and mental illness raises some interesting points. Whilst transsexuality is not a mental illness some people are both transsexual and severely mentally ill ,for reasons other than transsexuality.
There are also people who will mistakenly think they are transsexual as a result of an autistic obsession that may pass with time or due to delusional thinking.

To my mind there has to be some way of distinguishing between the genuine transsexuals and the mistaken transsexuals.

It is not just about wanting to change sex but about being able to integrate into society in your chosen gender . Hence the current 2 year rule.

Some unfortunate people whilst being truly transsexual may not be able to satisfy the ability to successfully integrate into society in their chosen gender.
Does abandoning the 2 year rule actually help such people, or are they left with the same social and other difficulties in attempting to live in the gender they prefer?

Realistically how do you enforce this?

Are you going to have TSA-style bathroom guards whose job is to grope everyone who wants to enter a gender-segregated space?

It will need to be reported as an allegation to the police by which time the gender reassigned transvestite person will have long vanished into the ether

People use the restroom at work, and some have vile coworkers.

I personally don't care either way. I have heard of some people taking advantage of the rules. I don't think it is common enough to actually care about though. I dang judge anyone.

I can't take a non-response like this at all seriously. Your refusal to even consider correcting what you perceive to be errors on my part just demonstrate that you have no case to present, no argument whatsoever. Your ad hominem attacks have already taken things "down into the gutter".

Exactly. Delusions are real, people really do suffer from them. It isn't necessarily an insult to simply point that out.

If I've made ad hominems against you, report me to the mods.

Not all people, by a very long margin, with a desire for a sex change are delusional. The thing is teasing out those who are.

Speaking personally now. For years I would mention my need to change sex to the psychiatrists. At one point I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and disorder of gender identity.

Over time the insistence on wanting a sex change lessened. Had it been delusional obsession that went as I got a little better ? An autistic obsession that passed with time. Or perhaps it was a protective defence mechanism to the fact that with my psych and social problems the go ahead for hormone therapy etc was never going to come. A need to try and cope with the reality of the situation.

The presence of delusions may not be proof that someone is not transsexual though. Person A has delusions which are controlled by medication and when that happens his desire for SRS abates. Person B however has delusions which are controlled by medication but his need for SRS doesn't lessen.

The presence of a psychiatric disorder like schizophrenia doesn't necessarily negate the possibility that the transsexualism is real.

/\ I've seen, elsewhere, on this site, where you've related this part about yourself----and, I'm so glad you do, because I feel we can learn from you, and I really appreciate your contribution.

The transgendered issue is something of a moderating grey area.

It's a fine line between expressing an unpopular opinion and "transphobia."

I'll probably have to try to get in touch with Alex for further guidance. Seeing as how I'm agendered myself, I have to be careful that I'm being objective (or as objective as possible).

It feels like normally, saying that a group has lost touch with reality wouldn't cross any lines. The preponderance of psychological evidence nonwithstanding, people who find less common manifestations of gender distasteful will point out the lack of biological markers as evidence.

That folks do the same with autism should make people think twice about using that argument.

Are there any "biological markers" associated with autism though? I don't believe that any have been found.