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30 Aug 2017, 4:39 am

Fortunately, these hurricane victims can count on God to save them.

... oh ... wait ...


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30 Aug 2017, 4:56 am

^^^ I heard the reason was that the church itself was also partly flooded, making it impractical to use for shelter at first.


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30 Aug 2017, 5:30 am

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^^^ I heard the reason was that the church itself was also partly flooded, making it impractical to use for shelter at first.

He claimed so. Photos showed otherwise. See the story I posted on the previous page. He will probably replace the pews besmirched by the butts of the poor. Unacceptable in his Temple of Mammon.


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30 Aug 2017, 5:42 am

In Houston in particular, massive suburban sprawl (particularly in Katy, west of H-town) and piss poor land use policies have really screwed up drainage quality. The city has no zoning, and the sprawl has created a whole crapload of impervious cover. (http://www.nemo.udel.edu/manual/Chap2Web.pdf)

Austin and San Antonio have done a reasonable job at addressing IC, because of proximity to the Edwards Aquifer.

Osteen did eventually open up the church.


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30 Aug 2017, 5:46 am

He is but one of a large number of "prosperity" pastors found in many countries throughout the world.

However, to be fair in this, non of the photos in the linked article show whether or not the church was flooded to any degree. it just shows an old image of the church interior.

My country is home to one of the most active and compassionate relief organizations: Gift of the Givers, which is headed by a Muslim (Su'fi). They help in all countries affected by war or natural disaster irrespective of religion or politics. From their website:

Our assistance is purely humanitarian and unconditional. We assist irrespective of race, religion, colour, class, political affiliation or geographical boundary. We are entirely neutral in our approach to mankind in need, are non-judgemental and have an open-minded approach to all situations. We work with governments to get our assistance delivered but do not align ourselves politically to any party. We have an excellent partnership relationship with the South African Government for the delivery of our local projects, as well as for foreign aid delivery. Our activities have been profiled extensively by the media both locally and internationally.

This is how we should be all be, rather than ask what a person's beliefs are, or what their bank balance is, before lifting a finger.


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30 Aug 2017, 6:53 pm

Kanye West was right. George Bush doesn't care about black people. Neither does Donald Trump.


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30 Aug 2017, 10:18 pm

The corporate media has created climate change.


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31 Aug 2017, 6:12 am

Plus there's the economic and environmental damage that needs to be factored in.


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31 Aug 2017, 6:16 am

Did parts of Houston come out of this okay?

I'm amazed that more people didn't lose power, actually. You must have lots of underground wires there. That's why we didn't lose power with Sandy.



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31 Aug 2017, 7:06 am

A chemical plant exploded in Crosby. Yet another element to this mess....



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31 Aug 2017, 12:21 pm

Oil Companies and local gas stations are using Harvey as an excuse to raise prices.


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31 Aug 2017, 12:42 pm

We didn't flood or lose power. However, my aunt had 2 inches of water in her house, and a cousin had 4 inches in hers.

The grocery stores are open at limited hours, and at the HEB by my house, it felt like Venezuela--lots of empty aisles. But plenty of wine and ice cream!

Many of the restaurants are opening, but with limited hours and menus. Gas is still hard to come by.

@kraftie: We had underground lines installed just a few weeks ago. Crosby is an hour away, so we weren't affected much by the chemical plant fire there. Western parts of Houston were affected the worst, especially in Fort Bend County.


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31 Aug 2017, 12:59 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
We didn't flood or lose power. However, my aunt had 2 inches of water in her house, and a cousin had 4 inches in hers.

The grocery stores are open at limited hours, and at the HEB by my house, it felt like Venezuela--lots of empty aisles. But plenty of wine and ice cream!

Many of the restaurants are opening, but with limited hours and menus. Gas is still hard to come by.

@kraftie: We had underground lines installed just a few weeks ago. Crosby is an hour away, so we weren't affected much by the chemical plant fire there. Western parts of Houston were affected the worst, especially in Fort Bend County.


Glad to see you survived the storm with no damage, consider yourself very lucky. The next year or two could be worse for the community than the actual storm so be mentally prepared for it: there's a few million people that will be in shock, grieving, and upset over lost property, lost jobs, and of course lost loved ones.



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31 Aug 2017, 8:18 pm

I live in Dallas. A lot of people have come here to escape the storm. There have been a lot of donations and people trying to volunteer to help so that is good. There is a place close to where I live where about 350 people are staying. They are turning away donations and volunteers because they have gotten so many. I don't know if the people who are still there now have the means to leave, but it is good to see other cities make sure our people are taken care of.



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31 Aug 2017, 9:08 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
The next year or two could be worse for the community than the actual storm ...

Related to that, though not exactly that;
Railroads Warn Harvey May Cause Long Closure of Houston Tracks
Aug. 30, 2017, at 12:32 p.m.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-08-30/railroads-warn-of-long-closure-of-houston-area-tracks
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The closure of rail lines in the grain transport hub and nexus for cross-border traffic with Mexico presents a costly headache for companies ranging from automakers to farmers which use the lines to send ethanol, cereals and auto parts to and from Mexico or to be loaded onto ships.

The top two U.S. railroads, Union Pacific Corp and Berkshire Hathaway Inc's BNSF Railway have suspended operations in the area affected by the storm, as has regional railroad Kansas City Southern.
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"We don't have a historical precedent with this one," said Thomas Williamson, owner of Florida-based rail broker Transportation Consultants Co. "I expect service to be disrupted anywhere from two to six weeks."
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Union Pacific, the No. 1 U.S. railroad, told customers on Wednesday that it is using helicopters and drones to inspect track and facilities in areas without road access.But the company warned that the "majority of areas east of Houston are still inaccessible at this time." Union Pacific has been re-routing traffic away from Houston.
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Kansas City Southern, with much of its business focused U.S.-Mexico trade, may have greater exposure to disruption caused by the storm than the other two railroads, said Cowen & Co analyst Jason Seidl in a client note. Kansas Southern said in its last update on Monday that it had stopped traffic through impacted areas. It said it will update customers as the situation develops.
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Once the rails are up and running, railroad operators will likely benefit as goods for recovery and rebuilding are sent to the region, said independent railroad analyst Anthony Hatch. "We can be sure that the rails will be quicker to recover than most as they have been through this before."


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