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24 Sep 2017, 7:42 am

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errr who is "us" I am bashing Trump? unless of course your are part of the "borg" that includes ex-tea party, alt-right and other creepy right wing people who are hoisting their flag poles (or tikki torches) to honor Trump .


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Looks like Le Bron James, Kobe Bryant and Steph Curry have all condemned the comments by POTUS against the NFL players. All apparently boycotting invites to the whitehouse...
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/24/04/ ... aying-what

Trump criticising people for not standing means he is racist just because some of those people were black...so those players refusing to go to the Whitehouse makes *them* racist because Trump is white? That's how it works, right? Or does the logic only apply when it meets your agenda?


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24 Sep 2017, 8:15 am

I think premise is wrong.

Kaepernick had a 125 million dollar contract.

However it wasn't working out, he wanted to be traded.

They wouldn't trade him; they made him "second string".

So, he did this to make them angry, so they would trade him.

This stunt is an insult to black people.

He is using their pain for his own purposes.



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24 Sep 2017, 8:22 am

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I think premise is wrong.

Kaepernick had a 125 million dollar contract.

However it wasn't working out, he wanted to be traded.

They wouldn't trade him; they made him "second string".

So, he did this to make them angry, so they would trade him.

This stunt is an insult to black people.

He is using their pain for his own purposes.


I was thinking this on my long drive last night and that he most likely doing this for a selfish reason. But I don't follow sports and was only speculating... Figured he was creating smoke with this stunt and then going to pull the race card if they let him go, calling racism and oppression. I seen it in the workplace, it's sad and only does further damage. Now it just looks like he's throwing a tantrum knowing the backstory if true.



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24 Sep 2017, 8:58 am

Chichikov wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Looks like Le Bron James, Kobe Bryant and Steph Curry have all condemned the comments by POTUS against the NFL players. All apparently boycotting invites to the whitehouse...
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/24/04/ ... aying-what

Trump criticising people for not standing means he is racist just because some of those people were black...so those players refusing to go to the Whitehouse makes *them* racist because Trump is white? That's how it works, right? Or does the logic only apply when it meets your agenda?








...You mean Trump, who talked about how there were " good people " in the Nazi flag- carryng " Unite The Right " protestors in Charlottesville, I believe?


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24 Sep 2017, 9:10 am

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...You mean Trump, who talked about how there were " good people " in the Nazi flag- carryng " Unite The Right " protestors in Charlottesville, I believe?

Why is that relevant to the topic at hand?



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24 Sep 2017, 9:14 am

The players are taking a knee to protest racial discrimination in treatment of black people by the police. Trump hates the protest more than he hates the racism. Considering that in the other part of the message, he insists that the black men shut up and give each other brain damage for his entertainment, one wonders if he or any of the posters piling on Cyberdad actually have the most minimal comprehension of racism.


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24 Sep 2017, 9:32 am

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The players are taking a knee to protest racial discrimination in treatment of black people by the police.

Can you show us a law that is racist in intent? The majority (not all) of these incidents being protested, was justified shootings. I would again, argue that racism is a false narrative and only looking at it from a narrow point of a view. The very few wrongful deaths by police (although to be honest, one is to many), isn't restricted to the black community. It's a problem for all races; more whites are killed by police, then blacks. So the problem is police, not racism.



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24 Sep 2017, 9:42 am

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The players are taking a knee to protest racial discrimination in treatment of black people by the police.

Can you show us a law that is racist in intent? The majority (not all) of these incidents being protested, was justified shootings. I would again, argue that racism is a false narrative and only looking at it from a narrow point of a view. The very few wrongful deaths by police (although to be honest, one is to many), isn't restricted to the black community. It's a problem for all races; more whites are killed by police, then blacks. So the problem is police, not racism.


Begging the question.

Courts have ruled seven times against the Texas redistricting plan as deliberate discrimination against voters of color. Racist in intent. Statistics have shown the disproportionate impact of racially motivated policing, but disregard for basic logic implies an equivalent disregard for statistics.


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24 Sep 2017, 11:06 am

There might not be much de jure racism---but de facto racism is alive and kicking.

I don't believe most people are racists in the Nazi sense. Or that they want to "get rid" of a certain race. I just believe people tend to judge races and ethnic groups as collective entities, and fail to look at individuals and their achievements. They form impressions based on stereotypes, and they form them without actually being around them on a consistent basis.

I wish people would stop kneeling down for the National Anthem. The song is about enduring in spite of hardship, and has nothing to do with racist/over-vigilant cops. It applies to all Americans, just like O Canada applies to all Canadians,.



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24 Sep 2017, 11:27 am

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There might not be much de jure racism---but de facto racism is alive and kicking.

I don't believe most people are racists in the Nazi sense. Or that they want to "get rid" of a certain race. I just believe people tend to judge races and ethnic groups as collective entities, and fail to look at individuals and their achievements. They form impressions based on stereotypes, and they form them without actually being around them on a consistent basis.

I wish people would stop kneeling down for the National Anthem. The song is about enduring in spite of hardship, and has nothing to do with racist/over-vigilant cops. It applies to all Americans, just like O Canada applies to all Canadians,.


It's a clear example of political speech, and a milder protest than burning a flag. Both symbolize protest against some action by the country, and we have a constitutional right to do either. That only means that the President, the Federal Executive, has no business going after them. I'd welcome a nuanced conversation from him like we get from you, Kraftie, but I hardly expect it.

The conversation from the NFL players has a lot of nuance. I'd suggest that you read it. It hasn't been exactly under-reported, but we've seen people in this thread make assumptions about their intent without bothering to read their statements about their intent. I respect your feelings about the method of their protest, but don't believe the hype.


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24 Sep 2017, 1:34 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
The players are taking a knee to protest racial discrimination in treatment of black people by the police. Trump hates the protest more than he hates the racism. Considering that in the other part of the message, he insists that the black men shut up and give each other brain damage for his entertainment, one wonders if he or any of the posters piling on Cyberdad actually have the most minimal comprehension of racism.

WTF,I have no problem comprehending racism.Its his denial of it in his own country and constantly vilifying us.
Example.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/c ... /australia


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24 Sep 2017, 2:05 pm

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24 Sep 2017, 2:20 pm

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...You mean Trump, who talked about how there were " good people " in the Nazi flag- carryng " Unite The Right " protestors in Charlottesville, I believe?

Why is that relevant to the topic at hand?





...I was trying to point out where Trump seems to be coming from! :P


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24 Sep 2017, 2:55 pm

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...I was trying to point out where Trump seems to be coming from! :P

I wasn't commenting on if Trump was a racist or not, attacking black people or not, I was simply pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy of the OP's views.



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24 Sep 2017, 3:13 pm

Australia has lots of racist policies, and a very problematic stance on refugees and migrants. It deserves more notice.

It rings hollow when people only bring it up in response to criticism from Australia, as it does in every such case. A lot of people, not you MrsLiz, don't otherwise criticize those governments. Trump has remained silent, along with his supporters, on Duterte's murder rampage in the Philippines.

I think Cyberdad gives the US props where we deserve it.


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24 Sep 2017, 3:22 pm

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the vast majority of the protesters are black. It only stands to reason that those are the ones Trump is criticizing.


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