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01 Nov 2018, 8:35 am

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they just admitted that they've been measuring their temperature data wrong.

So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.

So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.


So; once upon a time, ocean temperatures were measured by a guy dropping a weighted thermometer on a string over the side of the HMS Beagle. Nowadays we do it with infrared satellites, automated buoys, and complex computer modeling.
But since the 19th century guy on a sailing ship with the thermometer on a string's "conclusions have been wrong for decades", "you can't trust them at all."

You have a very sophomoric notion of how science works.

You seem to fancy yourself as a knowledgeable person.

How come you don't know that they still use ship measurements?

(You would know this if you ever actually dug around for measurement data).


Probably because he skimmed Wikipedia or a climate change website too fast.



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01 Nov 2018, 8:40 am

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There's no point in arguing with someone who believes that he's smarter than 97% of the world's climate scientists.


That's supposed to be of significance, that 97% of the people who get paid to produce climate change science results agree with each other.

Probably 97% of the world's parapsycologists agree with each other that paranormal activity exists. Does that mean I absolutely must as well? That I can't question it at all? Or that I think I'm smarter than them if I do?

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"Trying to reason with someone who has renounced the use of it is like trying to administer medicine to the dead."Thomas Paine


False equivalence. I haven't renounced climate change science. I just question it. Just like I question certain aspects of medicine.



I guess if one is a robot NPC liberal they don't question.


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97% of climate scientists agree with each other. Scientists agree on things for which there is enough evidences; you can't deny things like evolution, germs theory, or that the Earth is round; unless you have evidences against them the supersede all the previous evidences.

Temperature measurements are not the only evidences of global warming: melting glaciers, decline of sea ice, rise of sea level, change in weather patterns, migration of species, series of heat waves, ecological changes and so on.
Climate change deniers should try to collect evidences; this is with evidences that scientific consensus is changing. Of course, those evidences first need to be found, if they exists.


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01 Nov 2018, 8:43 am

People who accept that man made climate change science is real and that this truly is a very serious threat to our planet and all life forms on it aren’t really interested in gloating with “I told you so,” statements 5-10 years from now. We’re spreading the word about this stuff so that people can take action and do something about it ASAP for the benefit of themselves, our planet, and all life on Earth. That’s it.

I have similar views on medicine, but it seems science deniers prefer the wait 5-10 years for me to say “I told you so,” instead. For personal health, whatever, that’s those peoples’ loss.. but for the health of our planet and all life forms on it? That sort of denier ignorance is going to harm everyone.


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01 Nov 2018, 10:45 am

Do 97% of climatologists, meteorologists, biologists, zoologists et al agree with climate scientist?



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01 Nov 2018, 10:51 am

There is climate change...no doubt about it. Mainstream research supports it.

The question is: Why?



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01 Nov 2018, 11:00 am

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There is climate change...no doubt about it. Mainstream research supports it.

The question is: Why?


Exactly.

Or does making that statement just make you an ignorant uneducated denier?

Also do universities offer a climate change scientist degree? Could I get a PhD in climate change science?



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01 Nov 2018, 11:02 am

"Climate change science" covers various sciences like meteorology and geology. And various branches of meteorology and geology. And some other sciences I can't think of at the moment.



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01 Nov 2018, 12:16 pm

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There is climate change...no doubt about it. Mainstream research supports it.

The question is: Why?


Scientists have told us why. Human activity.

Burning fossil fuels, chopping down forests, over fishing seas, factory farming animals for slaughter etc etc.

Denying the obvious is akin to smokers continuing to deny smoking causes cancer.


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01 Nov 2018, 12:26 pm

It is possible that "normal climactic variation" could be behind it, too.

I tend to believe in man-made agents causing it, though.



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01 Nov 2018, 12:49 pm

“Normal climactic variation,” didn’t do this in less than a century. We did.

Scientists aren’t getting rich being scientists. They’re trying to save us.

Deniers like trump, OTOH, have substantial wealth to gain by exploiting resources to the max.

I side with the smart people trying their best to save us all.


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01 Nov 2018, 1:40 pm

According to Glass Door I'm seeing $85,000 to $114,000 per year being offered under the listing for climate change science jobs.

As for smart people, what percentage of scientists who aren't climate change scientists, agree with them? Although I have a feeling it's become one of those things like PC enforcement that one dares not go along with publicly.

I think there could also be a situation where it's increasing because it's being studied so much, every little thing gets picked up on, that didn't get didn't get picked up on before so it appears to be increasing.



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01 Nov 2018, 2:32 pm

It’s a sad day when the leader of the free world has silenced his own country’s scientists & convinced their youth to ignore facts and support his personal agenda of war & profit instead.


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01 Nov 2018, 2:57 pm

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It’s a sad day when the leader of the free world has silenced his own country’s scientists & convinced their youth to ignore facts and support his personal agenda of war & profit instead.


That's some pretty maudlin diatribe.



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01 Nov 2018, 4:43 pm

Tollorin wrote:
97% of climate scientists agree with each other.


I think that the 97% figure came from a bunch of people looking at published papers looking for reasons to claim that they supported the idea of Global Warming to some degree. Nobody really knows what the real figure would be.

More importantly, it doesn't support any claim that there is a consensus among them that Global Warming is a disaster.



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01 Nov 2018, 5:33 pm

I wonder if because everybody is laser-focused on CO2 as the cause of global warming scientists are overlooking the urban heat island effect. Our population is growing to which require more forests to be replaced by concrete which retains heat. There are so many areas that are exurbs and suburbs now. Sometimes it is hard to tell when one metropolitan region ends and the neighboring one begins. Temperatures at night under the right conditions can be 20 degrees lower at night in surrounding rural areas than in the urban centers. The jet streams move this warmer air around.


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01 Nov 2018, 6:02 pm

^A lot of things have been overlooked - that’s how we Know it’s much worse than the worst case scenarios currently predict.

I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.

I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.

I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.

It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.


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