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30 Dec 2018, 12:38 pm

Im sure the mainstream media did yes, cause they just have a script that they all repeat word for word.
Most Americans are bored of frauds like Obama and Clinton. He just did nothing for 8 years and would have lost in 2012 if he wasn't up against a complete dud like Romney. Nice way of showing your hatred for the white working class Americans. That's why the Democrats lost, because they hate the people they are meant to represent.
Nope, but he supports his own country unlike any recent President. Most Americans don't want trillions of their dollars spent in wars across the world and Trump vowed to end that. Now he's kept that promise. Other frauds like Obama said the same and that people could take that promise "to the bank" but just continued and expanded the wars for his financer's.

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30 Dec 2018, 12:44 pm

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Im sure the mainstream media did yes, cause they just have a script that they all repeat word for word.
Most Americans are bored of frauds like Obama and Clinton. He just did nothing for 8 years and would have lost in 2012 if he wasn't up against a complete dud like Romney. Nice way of showing your hatred for the white working class Americans. That's why the Democrats lost, because they hate the people they are meant to represent.
Nope, but he supports his own country unlike any recent President. Most Americans don't want trillions of their dollars spent in wars across the world and Trump vowed to end that. Now he's kept that promise. Other frauds like Obama said the same and that people could take that promise "to the bank" but just continued and expanded the wars for his financer's.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Trump at all, or anybody in US politics except maybe Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein, but your analysis is absolutely right. Obama was a servant of big business just like Trump, he only had nicer manners. This is what has deceived people like Mr Kraichgauer into thinking his loyalties were different. Appearance is not the same thing as substance.

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30 Dec 2018, 1:00 pm

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I never said Obama was perfect, just better than Trump. Obama provided medical coverage for millions of Americans, while Trump has not lived up to any promises. I'm still waiting for that great medical coverage Trump promised.

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30 Dec 2018, 1:06 pm

Trump has kept numerous promises. What Obama pushed through was a disaster. It left out 30 million Americans and just served the interests of big companies. Trump tried to get one bill through but it was blocked. Even if he tried to get universal healthcare through CNN would be against it.

And no, not "not perfect", he was hopeless. He tricked a lot of progressives. That's why a lot of the working class that had been ignored for 8 years under Obama voted for Trump rather the same old establishment figure in Hillary.

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30 Dec 2018, 1:11 pm

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I agree that he's better than Trump, but only in the sense that, to use South Park's ingenious analogy, a giant douche is better than a turd sandwich - there's still no reason why I should WANT either.

I don't understand why in a country with 300 million people, among them some of the most humane and educated men and women in the world, the choice always ends up being between one corporate psychopath or another. I don't understand why one can't find a candidate who is genuinely compassionate and interested in the wellbeing of the people at large, and I fear that by heaping praise on Obama just because he isn't quite as bad as Trump, I'd be feeding into that system. Yes, if I HAD to vote, and the vote was between Obama and Trump, I'd vote for Obama, but I see no positive reason to vote for either.

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30 Dec 2018, 5:19 pm

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Still,far more Americans got coverage who didn't have it, and that alone is worth something. You seem to think letting people languish without coverage is somehow better.
Uh... if Trump's greater than great health care plan was blocked, it was by his own Republicans who controlled both houses.
The reason why the ACA was so flawed was because it was based on a Republican plan dreamed up in the Heritage Foundation. Thinking he could bridge the partisan divide, Obama chose this Republican plan, too naive to the vindictiveness of DC.

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30 Dec 2018, 5:57 pm

It was a scam. If you keep defending terrible policies because your team does it things will never change.

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30 Dec 2018, 9:17 pm

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It was a scam. If you keep defending terrible policies because your team does it things will never change.

"My team" are the only ones who will bring universal healthcare to America. All Republicans have to offer are either Trump's promises which have as much reliability as Trump University, or the plain old, worn out GOP platitudes of self reliance stolen directly from the pages of Ayn Rand and Anton LeVay.

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30 Dec 2018, 10:57 pm

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mandatory healthcare insurance became available through employers who had not offered it previously. so technically many more people were covered.

however at a cost many could not / can not afford. so they still had/have no health insurance plus a tax penalty.

those who did have healthcare insurance through their employer that they actually could afford, lost it when mandatory obamacare took it away from them.

the average cost for a single person is around $250 per month with a $10,000 deductible.

obamacare is a total rip-off for millions of people.

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31 Dec 2018, 12:09 am

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mandatory healthcare insurance became available through employers who had not offered it previously. so technically many more people were covered.

however at a cost many could not / can mot afford. so they still had/have no health insurance plus a tax penalty.

those who did have healthcare insurance through their employer that they actually could afford, lost it when mandatory obamacare took it away from them.

the average cost for a single person is around $250 per month with a $10,000 deductible.

obamacare is a total rip-off for millions of people.

A great number of people never got medical insurance through their employers.
As I already said, the ACA had started out life as a Republican plan to counter single payer, so it's a small wonder it's hardly perfect.

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31 Dec 2018, 12:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

mandatory healthcare insurance became available through employers who had not offered it previously. so technically many more people were covered.

however at a cost many could not / can mot afford. so they still had/have no health insurance plus a tax penalty.

those who did have healthcare insurance through their employer that they actually could afford, lost it when mandatory obamacare took it away from them.

the average cost for a single person is around $250 per month with a $10,000 deductible.

obamacare is a total rip-off for millions of people.

so like most failures and problems that occurred during the obama administration, it's bush's fault.

what i think is both obama and trump wanted actually affordable healthcare for the masses and neither of them was able to pull it off.

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31 Dec 2018, 12:29 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

mandatory healthcare insurance became available through employers who had not offered it previously. so technically many more people were covered.

however at a cost many could not / can mot afford. so they still had/have no health insurance plus a tax penalty.

those who did have healthcare insurance through their employer that they actually could afford, lost it when mandatory obamacare took it away from them.

the average cost for a single person is around $250 per month with a $10,000 deductible.

obamacare is a total rip-off for millions of people.

I don't believe Trump ever really intended to bring us single payer. Had he wanted to, he could have hammered it through the Republican house and senate. As the Democrats would have sided with Trump on that, he could have scored bipartisan points, but didn't.

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31 Dec 2018, 2:09 am

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obama wasn't able to hammer through his original plan either. obama's original plan would have covered those who didn't have health insurance, but would have had no effect on those who did; "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it". but that's not what happened. everybody who had a plan through their employer they liked, lost it.

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31 Dec 2018, 2:35 am

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Like I said, originally a Republican plan.

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31 Dec 2018, 2:45 am

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Like I said, originally a Republican plan.

so obama's original plan was the same as the republicans original plan, and he stll was not able to hammer it through?

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31 Dec 2018, 2:59 am

EzraS wrote:

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Like I said, originally a Republican plan.

so obama's original plan was the same as the republicans original plan, and he stll was not able to hammer it through?

No, by that time, the Republicans were determined to stop everything put forth by Obama just out of pure vindictiveness, even if it was their original plan.

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