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22 Feb 2019, 8:06 pm

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The only way I can think of to combat it by as you say encouraging critical thinking. Which gets met with a surprising amount of resistance.

It's met with resistance because people have been systematically programmed for so long to believe they have pick a team, and support it no matter what. Even when you show them that both teams have been bought and paid for by the same corporate interests. It's how the ruling class has always operated -- divide and conquer.

It's a tall order to get Americans to alter that pattern of thinking, especially when they are besieged by fear propaganda 24/7.

"Anyone but Trump!"

So, we get another establishment Dem in 2020..."Ahh, we're saved!" But we won't be saved. We're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The neoliberal train keeps chugging down the tracks! (Sorry, mixed metaphors!)

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22 Feb 2019, 10:44 pm

Yeah, there's definitely nothing to worry about from Russia in your coming election. It's only the director of national intelligence telling you that you should be worried about Russia meddling in further elections. Nothing to see here, move along people! :lol:

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22 Feb 2019, 11:37 pm

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

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23 Feb 2019, 12:05 am

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That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

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23 Feb 2019, 12:22 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

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23 Feb 2019, 12:33 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

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23 Feb 2019, 12:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

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23 Feb 2019, 12:46 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

You are putting words in my mouth.

But your implication is that the conclusion to be drawn from the video has been altered. And in this case, it would be altered allegedly to make Trump look bad.

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23 Feb 2019, 12:54 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

If you want to watch the entirety of his testimony, I bet that is available too.

Look how easily I found it:

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"FBI Director Christopher Wray, CIA Director Gina Haspel and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats presented an update to the Senate intelligence committee on Jan. 29 on their annual assessment of global threats. They warned of an increasingly diverse range of security dangers around the globe, from North Korean nuclear weapons to Chinese cyberespionage and Russian campaigns to undermine Western democracies. Directly contradicting President Donald Trump, the agencies told Congress that North Korea is unlikely to dismantle its nuclear arsenal, that the Islamic State group remains a threat and that the Iran nuclear deal is working. The chiefs made no mention of a crisis at the U.S.-Mexican border for which Trump has considered declaring a national emergency. Their analysis stands in sharp contrast to Trump's almost singular focus on security gaps at the border as the biggest threat facing the United States."

There you go, now you can watch all 3 hours of it just to catch the important bits that were laid out in the other video, to confirm that he said what he said. Have fun!

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23 Feb 2019, 12:58 am

Correction, the full length video I posted is from this year's hearing, and the WP video is of last year's hearing. The full video for last year's hearing is here:

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23 Feb 2019, 1:05 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

You are putting words in my mouth.

But your implication is that the conclusion to be drawn from the video has been altered. And in this case, it would be altered allegedly to make Trump look bad.

If I were going to make an implication, it would be that it was edited to make the Russians look bad or to look like they're a greater threat than they really are. Or something along those lines. But I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is it was heavily edited and condensed.

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23 Feb 2019, 1:20 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

You are putting words in my mouth.

But your implication is that the conclusion to be drawn from the video has been altered. And in this case, it would be altered allegedly to make Trump look bad.

Well now the full length video is up that says the exact same things but just takes 3 hours to say them. So you can stop saying that now.

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23 Feb 2019, 1:32 am

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

You are putting words in my mouth.

But your implication is that the conclusion to be drawn from the video has been altered. And in this case, it would be altered allegedly to make Trump look bad.

But is it legitimately unreliable, just because it's condensed? You've been offered the full three hours of uncut questions.

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23 Feb 2019, 1:44 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

You are putting words in my mouth.

But your implication is that the conclusion to be drawn from the video has been altered. And in this case, it would be altered allegedly to make Trump look bad.

But is it legitimately unreliable, just because it's condensed? You've been offered the full three hours of uncut questions.

I'm sure he'll find something wrong with it, just because it was posted by me and he's so "unbiased". :lol:

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23 Feb 2019, 1:55 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

That video was edited to death. I've seen long videos that have been cut up and rearranged to make it sound like the people in them are saying all kinds of things.

Or maybe Trump and his people haven't been straight with you.

What does that statement have to do with that video having been heavily edited.

You are suggesting that it was edited to make Trump look bad.

I'm stating the fact it's very edited and condensed.

You are putting words in my mouth.

But your implication is that the conclusion to be drawn from the video has been altered. And in this case, it would be altered allegedly to make Trump look bad.

Well now the full length video is up that says the exact same things but just takes 3 hours to say them. So you can stop saying that now.

Three hours hadn't elapsed in the time you posted that, so how would you know. Or did you already have the whole thing memorized.

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23 Feb 2019, 1:57 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

But is it legitimately unreliable, just because it's condensed? You've been offered the full three hours of uncut questions.

I didn't say it was unreliable. However, are you saying that's not within the realm of possibility?

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