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26 Mar 2019, 1:00 pm

If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


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26 Mar 2019, 2:51 pm

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If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


Not really. Doctors and pharmacists go to medical school for years and pay huge amounts of money for that education. They aren't going to work for reduced costs. As medical care will always be expensive, the best thing to do is insuring everyone.


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26 Mar 2019, 3:48 pm

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If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


Not really. Doctors and pharmacists go to medical school for years and pay huge amounts of money for that education. They aren't going to work for reduced costs. As medical care will always be expensive, the best thing to do is insuring everyone.


That's B.S. Education is too expensive to for the same reason, Government. If you haven't worked that out by now then there's nothing I can say.


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26 Mar 2019, 4:15 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


Not really. Doctors and pharmacists go to medical school for years and pay huge amounts of money for that education. They aren't going to work for reduced costs. As medical care will always be expensive, the best thing to do is insuring everyone.


That's B.S. Education is too expensive to for the same reason, Government. If you haven't worked that out by now then there's nothing I can say.


In theory, yes, it would be cheaper. But a think a "true free market" could only exist in an anarcho-capitalist society, which only the most radical libertarians support.

I don't really believe in using the "free market" as some kind of metric. Markets are the tools by which resources are allocated. They tend to do a good job in most cases, but there has to be oversight.

I've stated in other threads my thoughts on healthcare. I do think there should be government subsidies and some king of public option. I would like to see publicly subsidised co-ops.


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26 Mar 2019, 4:40 pm

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There's no point arguing with people who will just make excuses for terrible politicians because they are on their team. Obama and Bush are the worst two Presidents in history.


Every president in my lifetime has been horrible, trump is the first one to rub it in our faces as a badge of honor.

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26 Mar 2019, 6:17 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


Not really. Doctors and pharmacists go to medical school for years and pay huge amounts of money for that education. They aren't going to work for reduced costs. As medical care will always be expensive, the best thing to do is insuring everyone.


That's B.S. Education is too expensive to for the same reason, Government. If you haven't worked that out by now then there's nothing I can say.


Do you honestly believe going to a doctor will ever cost someone the price of renting a movie from Redbox? Because I can tell you, doctors, who are used to living among the upper crust, aren't going to work for peanuts.


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26 Mar 2019, 8:57 pm

The only thing Russiagate has done is ensure that Trump gets a second term. Congratulations MSM! You only eroded what minimal faith the American people had left in U.S. journalism by pushing this absurd conspiracy theory, and legitimizing Trump's claims of "fake news." You have made him a victim, when you should have been focusing on fixing the Democratic Party and nailing them for rigging the 2016 Democratic primaries.

But, hey, they don't really care. They will still pull down big bucks for spreading propaganda to gullible Americans. Rachael Maddow will be able to afford all the trout fishing vacations she desires while laughing all the way to the bank.


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26 Mar 2019, 10:12 pm

Time to invest in tinfoil futures. :mrgreen:

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26 Mar 2019, 11:38 pm

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The only thing Russiagate has done is ensure that Trump gets a second term. Congratulations MSM! You only eroded what minimal faith the American people had left in U.S. journalism by pushing this absurd conspiracy theory, and legitimizing Trump's claims of "fake news." You have made him a victim, when you should have been focusing on fixing the Democratic Party and nailing them for rigging the 2016 Democratic primaries.


I rather suspect that was the whole point of Russia gate.
That it's primary purpose was to make sure the DNC leadership, did not walk the plank after their complete and total disaster in 2016.
I'm inclined to think that all other considerations(including bashing Trump) were of only, at most, secondary importance.



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27 Mar 2019, 12:45 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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JohnPowell wrote:
If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


Not really. Doctors and pharmacists go to medical school for years and pay huge amounts of money for that education. They aren't going to work for reduced costs. As medical care will always be expensive, the best thing to do is insuring everyone.


That's B.S. Education is too expensive to for the same reason, Government. If you haven't worked that out by now then there's nothing I can say.


Do you honestly believe going to a doctor will ever cost someone the price of renting a movie from Redbox? Because I can tell you, doctors, who are used to living among the upper crust, aren't going to work for peanuts.


It's usually the drugs that cost the most.


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27 Mar 2019, 1:39 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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If there was a true free market the prices would be a lot cheaper.


Not really. Doctors and pharmacists go to medical school for years and pay huge amounts of money for that education. They aren't going to work for reduced costs. As medical care will always be expensive, the best thing to do is insuring everyone.


That's B.S. Education is too expensive to for the same reason, Government. If you haven't worked that out by now then there's nothing I can say.


Do you honestly believe going to a doctor will ever cost someone the price of renting a movie from Redbox? Because I can tell you, doctors, who are used to living among the upper crust, aren't going to work for peanuts.


It's usually the drugs that cost the most.


That we agree on. But unshackling the market isn't going to make drug prices go down, as greed is the driving motivation behind pharmaceutical companies. It's the people making use of government power to reach under big pharma's collective belt and twist that will make things change. I'd also advise the same citizens to pay attention to which elected leaders are in the drug companies pocket, and vote them out accordingly if they don't change their way of conducting fund raising.


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27 Mar 2019, 4:20 pm

Government are the problem. They look after their friends and their friends get them elected.


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27 Mar 2019, 8:30 pm

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Government are the problem. They look after their friends and their friends get them elected.


I see it as a mixed problem, corporations are just as corrupt as the government, what drives a lot of the corruption in politics is corporations. It's more of a, damned if you do, damned if you don't type issue. They seriously need to find a way to get corporations hands out of politics, tricky thing to accomplish though, self interest is a huge motivator. It's funny how many people don't understand that wealthy people and corporations drive democrat policies also. So democrat voters think their team is 'for the people', the reality is just like the republican side, the democrat side also acts on corporate greed.

I personally think humanity is screwed, there is no way to turn things around, people are to greedy and corrupt for that to happen, either way you go. The rich will try to ensure they stay rich for generations to come, that includes the ones pushing socialism. Democrats, please take notice how extremely wealthy people try to push socialism, now take a second to think why a multi-millionaire would want to do that, i'll give you a hint, it's not because they want to give their money away. That's pretty easy to prove, they have the money to help people in a big way, they could seek to help the bad neighborhoods and definitely have the money to do it, so why aren't the doing it? Because they don't give a s**t about poor people either, socialism can help protect there status.

They could even pay their employees better, yet they don't, they horde profits, like amazon, he pushes democrat policies, Walmart, they push democrat policies, so why are they huge profit earners which don't reflect that in how much they pay their staff???

The fact is, within both parties, very few actually care about 'helping the people'.



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27 Mar 2019, 8:49 pm

Let the criminal collusion investigations begin.

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27 Mar 2019, 11:18 pm

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Let the criminal collusion investigations begin.

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I'll remind you, Trump was not exonerated, while everything he said about Russia not interfering, that they didn't hack the DNC for the Clinton emails, and that Wikileaks acting as Russia's agent didn't distribute said emails, are all total falsehoods. They couldn't entirely prove that Trump was actively involved, but there's no getting around the fact that he was in the know. Besides, there are several other investigations going on even as I write this, looking at how Trump's been dirty for years.
We haven't had a chance to know what is exactly in the Mueller report, as Trump's boy, Barr, is digging in his heels, while Mitch McConnell is saying he'll never let the report come out, despite how both Republicans and Democrats want it to be released.


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