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25 Sep 2019, 10:36 am

In history, some artists were like that----but many weren't.

Picasso was a pretty practical guy who used to get all the chicks.

You would be surprised how many Democrats really aren't into this sort of thing----being drunk, disheveled, dirty, things like that. Some actually live fairly "conservative" lifestyles.

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25 Sep 2019, 10:42 am

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My comment was more sarcastic or satirical rather than analytical. However, a system of government that wanted to implement total control of society, would likely make itself appealing to the more needy, vulnerable and manipulatable members of society. It would want people to be under the influence of alcohol, drugs, sleep deprivation etc. And would vilify such concepts as personal responsibility and self reliance.

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25 Sep 2019, 11:06 am

I'm certainly not into that "total control" which is spoken of.

I have a libertarian view on this sort of thing. I wouldn't want people to tell me how much sugary drinks I can drink.

I'm an enthusiastic supporter of "personal responsibility" and "self-reliance."

I'm a teetotaler. No drugs or alcohol for me.

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25 Sep 2019, 2:05 pm

.. The phrase " Spas " (or " spas ") was a schoolyard insult/nasty word, from " spastic " - Like " ret*d! " . I think maybe it was more " classic " baby boomer-era but it was still around when KK and I went to school. There was a 59s garage-rock ttp'a record: " Get Off a the floor boy!.. People gonna think, yeah they're gonna think, you're SPAS! " I'll look it up, as I will what BOCES stood for when KK and I (both from New York State) went to school, the " special " education Department of NYS schools was acronymed BOCES, B. O. C. Educational Services (It may have been for advanced%smart kids too) - and thus, a schoolyard insult then was " voice " - You voice! " like " spas " or " ret*d " .

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25 Sep 2019, 2:29 pm

...It was " Spazz " by The Elastik Band.

My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

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25 Sep 2019, 4:05 pm

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Colon cancer - or maybe just good ol' pneumonia - is more appropriate, as the Dems, unlike Trump, aren't a bunch of demented, corrupt buffoons, and so can be changed.

I've heard told otherwise.

What, colon cancer and pneumonia, or the Democrats?

The latter.

Well, the Dems went from the party courting racists and segregationists to the champion of civil rights. Seems pretty redeemable to me, especially since the GOP went from freeing the slaves and Radical Reconstruction to the opposite direction.

Meanwhile the democrats work on removing civil liberties continues. The kind of equality they seem to really be striving for is everyone under their boot.

Now we're seeing little kids as young as 5 years old being arrested as a result of their whole political correctness, zero tolerance, everything is a crime agenda.

According to right wing propaganda sources. How are any of us under the boot of liberals? Because businesses can't so easily get away with discriminating in hiring and pay? Sure political correctness has often gone overboard, but it's hardly the law of the land.

I don't tune into right wing propaganda sources. I have been able to see what is up for myself and draw my own conclusions. Ever see THX 1138? that is the kind of world you're asking for.

Uh..., that's a movie. It's not real.

Oh please, fictonal social comentary pieces are used all the time to make a point, like the number of times you've brought up the works of Ayn Rand among others. But you're playing Bluto again it seems

No, I just criticize Rand for being a hateful bat who had a wide on for a psychotic killer years before. The only thing I've ever said about her fiction was that her writing sucks.

Oh good grief. Trying to have an ontrack conversation with you is like herding cats sometimes. Maybe you are sleep deprived and inebriated again as you seem to often say is your condition. As much as I dislike making things personal, you might want to look into the correlation between alcohol consumption and insomnia.

It's spelled "grief."
You brought up Rand, so I gave you my take on her.
I'm a writer. There are legions of men and women involved in my art who are drunk and sleep deprived.

Uh oh the spelling poice. If you look at it again you'll see I corrected the typo before you said anything about it. You have brought up Rand and many other authors and their works regarding social comentary. Just like I brought up a movie regarding social comentary. Now I know why liberals and democrats put so much emphasis on the arts.

Then "grief" had suddenly turned back to "grife." I'm not calling you a liar, just making an observation about computer sites.
The difference is, I never used Rand as an example of what life should be, but as what we must prevent it from becoming.

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25 Sep 2019, 4:08 pm

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Charles Bukowski was sort of like that (a drunk, sleep-deprived person who believed in the Arts)----or at least his character in the movie "Barfly."

Melville was a man who really got into the details of his settings (e.g., a living room in a house). He also made use of lots of psychological realism, a stunning amount for a writer of the Victorian Era.

Melville had some commercial success early on----but as his writing became more "experimental," his success was severely compromised. He was also seen as being somewhat "eccentric" and difficult to deal with.

He was a respected writer---but a broke one----when he died.

Almost everything Bukowski wrote was autobiographical, so as far as Barfly is concerned - - yes.

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25 Sep 2019, 4:13 pm

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Charles Bukowski was sort of like that (a drunk, sleep-deprived person who believed in the Arts)----or at least his character in the movie "Barfly."

Well I do not disbelieve in the arts. But if artists consist of legions of inebriated sleep deprived individuals, I can see why that might appeal to democrat politicians.

As opposed to mostly intellectually dull people whose only ambition in life is to eat, sh*t, work, sleep, and repeat, and who see the arts as an effete waist of time, which is the type the Republicans gather around them?

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25 Sep 2019, 5:04 pm

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Charles Bukowski was sort of like that (a drunk, sleep-deprived person who believed in the Arts)----or at least his character in the movie "Barfly."

Well I do not disbelieve in the arts. But if artists consist of legions of inebriated sleep deprived individuals, I can see why that might appeal to democrat politicians.

Well, a lot of people don't have your amazing creative abilities, and are just trying to survive in life. So, why not piss on them and call them "intellectually dull." Nice arrogant attitude.

If you have a drinking problem, I suggest you deal with it, rather than trying to excuse it by cloaking yourself in the mystique of the alcoholic writer geniuses of the past. That's BS!

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25 Sep 2019, 5:22 pm

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EzraS wrote:

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Charles Bukowski was sort of like that (a drunk, sleep-deprived person who believed in the Arts)----or at least his character in the movie "Barfly."

Well I do not disbelieve in the arts. But if artists consist of legions of inebriated sleep deprived individuals, I can see why that might appeal to democrat politicians.

There are plenty of people who don't have creative abilities who appreciate the arts, and who aren't purposely ignorant. No, I'm talking about someone who never has cracked a book, or watched some show or movie that isn't geared toward the reality show crowd. In fact, that's probably most of us who belong to the first group.
Drinking problem?! ?! I can stop any time! :lol:

Seriously, I just like beer. Unlike Trump, who said he prefers American champagne to that of the French, then adds, because he doesn't drink, he just likes to smell it

, I'm not a hypocrite.

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25 Sep 2019, 8:30 pm

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Then "grief" had suddenly turned back to "grife." I'm not calling you a liar, just making an observation about computer sites.

I made a typo as I said and then I corrected it. I make lots of typos and grammar errors due to my dyslexia and overall severe cognitive disabilities. It often takes me several tries to get it all sorted out to make a clean post.

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The difference is, I never used Rand as an example of what life should be, but as what we must prevent it from becoming.

THX 1138 is a deception of a dystopian society where the government micromanages peoples lives, not a depiction of what life should be, but what we must prevent it from becoming. In other words I used it the same way you just said you use Rand even though "Uh..., that's a movie. It's not real." just as Atlas Shrugged is just a book it's not real.

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25 Sep 2019, 8:52 pm

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Movies and shows are also a part of the arts needless to say. They are another way of telling a story. Many have had a profound message to deliver, even if they are fictitious depictions. How much does the horror fiction you write deal with reality?

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25 Sep 2019, 10:06 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

Then "grief" had suddenly turned back to "grife." I'm not calling you a liar, just making an observation about computer sites.

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The difference is, I never used Rand as an example of what life should be, but as what we must prevent it from becoming.

Sure, Atlas Shrugged is just a book. The problem is, there are millions of right wing libertarians who regard it as their Bible and blue print for what they see as the future.

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25 Sep 2019, 10:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Then "grief" had suddenly turned back to "grife." I'm not calling you a liar, just making an observation about computer sites.

Kraichgauer wrote:

The difference is, I never used Rand as an example of what life should be, but as what we must prevent it from becoming.

Sure, Atlas Shrugged is just a book. The problem is, there are millions of right wing libertarians who regard it as their Bible and blue print for what they see as the future.

Sure THX 1138 is just a movie that depicts a world where society is dependent upon a government that micromanages their lives. The problem is, there are millions of left wing liberals who want to see that type of world become a reality whether they realize it or not.

They don't see anything suspicious regarding a system where wealthy elite politicians take control of businesses and take control of what people are allowed to consume, say, do and think - actually believing that system of government is going to benefit them. They don't see anything suspicious in an ideology that vilifies such concepts as personal responsibility and self reliance.

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25 Sep 2019, 11:08 pm

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Then "grief" had suddenly turned back to "grife." I'm not calling you a liar, just making an observation about computer sites.

Kraichgauer wrote:

The difference is, I never used Rand as an example of what life should be, but as what we must prevent it from becoming.

Sure, Atlas Shrugged is just a book. The problem is, there are millions of right wing libertarians who regard it as their Bible and blue print for what they see as the future.

What you call government taking control of businesses is a matter of regulations insuring the safety of consumers and workers. And yes, those regulations are for our good. On top of that, it was a Republican President, Teddy Roosevelt, who had been the first to institute such regulations to protect the little guy against the wealthy business and political elite.

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25 Sep 2019, 11:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Then "grief" had suddenly turned back to "grife." I'm not calling you a liar, just making an observation about computer sites.

Kraichgauer wrote:

The difference is, I never used Rand as an example of what life should be, but as what we must prevent it from becoming.

Sure, Atlas Shrugged is just a book. The problem is, there are millions of right wing libertarians who regard it as their Bible and blue print for what they see as the future.

Perhaps Teddy did not see that there are wealthy elite politicians who would take regulation to extremes in the guise of helping the little guy. Democrats/liberals/left-wingers taking control of everything is not going to eliminate the wealthy elite dominating the little guy, it is going to actually facilitate greater domination and control.

It would be nice if these wealthy elite politicians who are backed by billionaires were the altruistic bunch you have been fooled into believing they are, but they are actually a sleazy bunch offering candy to children to gain their trust.

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