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08 Oct 2019, 5:30 am

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This second whistleblower could be a problem for Trump depending on what in the new whistleblowers statement.It could be the difference in whether the senate convicts or not.

And a lot depends on how stuborn senate republicans are and what evidence they will accept as valid,they still claim there was no quid pro quo in the july 25th phone call.Right now I would say everything is to up in the air to make a guess on Trump's future

Lol there's a backup whistleblower now? Unbelievable. This stinks to high heaven. And those who want the President booted couldn't care less about that.

Why is it so unbelievable that there would be more than one whistle blower?

I was expressing how ridiculous I think the whole convoluted years long attemt by the democrats to get the President out of office is.
In my opinion that is all it has ever been about. Since russiagate was going nowhere it has been replaced with or morphed into ukrainegate. In between that there have been a plethora of other smaller ones like sharpiegate.

Who says it's not true? Trump and his yes men in congress and the senate? Trump clearly withheld funds meant for Ukraine's defense in return to dirt on the man he regards as his principal political rival, and that's clearly illegal and unethical.
Mueller said quite clearly that Trump was not exonerated by any means when it came to accepting Russian help.
As far as "Sharpiegate" is concerned, not only was Trump clearly wrong, but the professional meteorologists were threatened to back up the Dear Leader's error. Not such of an insignificant matter after all.

Like I said it is my opinion based on watching the must get rid of Trump crusade that began on 11/9. A they will stop at nothing effort. The fact that it has all been a vapor hovering around for years has so far indicated to me that my assessment of it all has been correct.

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08 Oct 2019, 2:48 pm

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EzraS wrote:

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Lol there's a backup whistleblower now? Unbelievable. This stinks to high heaven. And those who want the President booted couldn't care less about that.

Why is it so unbelievable that there would be more than one whistle blower?

Maybe instead you should have been watching Trump, and how he had brought all his chaos and corruption from his business world with him into the White House, because I have been.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:16 pm

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Trump can do no wrong----whatsoever----according to those who follow him. Despite evidence to the contrary which is staring them in the face.

What makes people worship Trump, anyway?

I wouldn't say that I'm the "follower" of any candidate, per se. Anybody could "do wrong." I would never blindly follow anybody.

Obama had trump investigated right before the election including phone tape. The extent we won’t know cause he used fisa courts.
So it’s ok if a democrat does it? Course in trumps case there was no crime just being a rivial for Hillary, Biden boars about committing a crime and getting away with it.
Switch the roles. If trump was running and boasting and Biden asked Ukraine to looking into the event, would you care?

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08 Oct 2019, 5:18 pm

Yeah, I would. I don't believe anybody should be going to foreign countries to inveigle them to influence US elections.

Yeah....if Biden did that....and he was President....he should be impeached and tried, too.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:21 pm

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For the national interest yes, for personal gain no. We elected him to help us not himself

The correct position. Trump can ask foreign governments to investigate if it serves the interest of the United States. Not if it serves the interest of Donald Trump.

There's some wiggle room for Trump, but not much. He can make the argument that investigating Biden is important to the integrity of the country, but this is the man who raised holy hell over the conspiracy of Obama investigating him. His position is hypocritical at best.

I'm on the fence on whether he should be removed from office (via impeachment). It's an abuse of power and obviously we want and expect better from our president. That said removing the leader of the country should never be done lightly. Just about every politician and person has some abuses of power/criminal actions. The bar for removal should remain high. I think Trump's transgressions (that we know about) are right at the level of that bar.

If Biden committed a crime as Vice President non less then we should now do such a person doesn’t get elected president. So I see nothing wrong with trumps request as it’s in best interest of the nation.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:23 pm

Why...because Trump said it? Is every word of Trump Gold?

Trump did it to try to discredit a potential rival. It's obvious to me why he did it.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:24 pm

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I wouldn't go that far....worshipping him like a deity.....but there are people who are blind to his faults and his threats to democratic institutions (not Democratic institutions).

Like you and many here are to Obama and all other democrats threats to the constitution and our rights. :roll:

From my point of view it’s the left who vote blindly as long as the person has d next to their name.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:25 pm

There is one side.....there is the other side.....and then there is the Truth.

That's how I look at things.

I don't believe anything is going to happen to Trump (legally) purely as a result of this.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:33 pm

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So known possible criminals should be elected president?
Dang so if I commute a crime all I need to do is run for election and I’m free from investigation as I can claim it’s just political to get rid of a rival. Sweet deal. Biden so go on a bank robbing spree or murder someone since he’s free and clear of all investigations into any of his wrong doing. I really doubt this would apply to any republicans though.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:34 pm

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Why...because Trump said it? Is every word of Trump Gold?

Trump did it to try to discredit a potential rival. It's obvious to me why he did it.

No cause Biden said it in a video.
And you think because he’s a democrat and running for occurs he shouldn’t be investigated.
What if he bragged about killing someone and getting away with and so trump ordered a investigation would you still be against it?

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08 Oct 2019, 5:37 pm

Way to say hello to a buddy, Sly!

You are saying hyperbole. You like Trump...and that's all there is to it.

Nothing will convince you otherwise.

Suppose Trump was the one who wanted to take away your guns?

I don't like Trump for various reasons; and you like Trump for various reasons. It doesn't mean you're a bad person. And it doesn't mean I'm a bad person.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:37 pm

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Smearing someone is worse the. Legal. It’s like the cases of false rape and people like well if they innocent they won’t face prison time but their life is ruined, they get kicked out of college, can’t find work, people all over hate them for life.
This is just the left using the legal system to do the very thing you think trumps doing. To get rid of a political rival and Insure we have democrats in office for rest of this countries life However short the democrats make it.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:37 pm

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08 Oct 2019, 5:39 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

You’re saying hyperbole cause you hate trump so much.

But he’s not that’s democrats. Trump saved my rights from democrats.
Still I vote for some democrats cause I’m not party bias.

Democrats unite and stuck together blindly which is bad for a republic. Notice democrat politician never go against each other in congress they always vote party line, cause if they don’t the party will end them. Republicans often vote against the party line.
We need like 20 parties of equal size it’s time to tear down the democrat and Republican Party and let independent thought happen again.

And FYI I’m responding to you cause I don’t even read the other leftists posts anymore.

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08 Oct 2019, 5:40 pm

Trump didn't do anything of the kind. He didn't save anybody's "rights."

You know I'm not a Democrat, right?

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08 Oct 2019, 5:44 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Trump didn't do anything of the kind. He didn't save anybody's "rights."

You know I'm not a Democrat, right?

Trump stopped the social security gun ban or as the left calls it “trump made it so mentally ill can buy guns”

A ban by the way social security themselves says was illegal and they couldn’t legally do but they had to cause Obama ordered it.
It was republicans and trump on party line vote who stopped it even alcu opposes it as well as all mental health groups, democrats supported it even if some opposed hurting minorities cause Obama and the party demanded it.

So yes trump saved me and millions of others from losing our rights cause we were born different and made an easy target for Obama after congress refused to pass his simi auto bans.

Trump saved 4millions plus people’s rights.

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