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09 Oct 2019, 9:04 am

how many more bridges must we burn? when will it end?



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09 Oct 2019, 12:15 pm

The best thing that can happen is the US getting the hell out of the Middle East. They just use the Kurds for their own means. The US is pretty much fully to blame by promising Kurds an ethno state against the wishes of sovereign states.


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09 Oct 2019, 3:11 pm

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I believe the Roman Emperor, Julian the Apostate, had settled Frankish prisoners of war in Flanders and the rest of Belgium, and made them allies on Roman soil..


Yes I've mentioned before that Vortigern the last Celtic king of Britain appealed to the Romans for troops to stave off incursions from the pagan Picts in the north after the Romans retreated from Britain in the 5th Century AD. It's my strong belief that the Romans sent these Germanic troops (the ones you mention) who may have been Roman mercanaries to help Vortigern. Coincidentally the venerable Bede records in the 5th century AD the two brothers Hengist and Horsa and their band of Anglo-Saxon mercanries were "invited" by Vortigern to quell the Picts. The rest is history. The Anglo-Saxons defeated the Picts and then turned on the Britons basically overunning the entire east of Britain which became England and thanks to these two enterprising (but Machiavellian) brothers we are now communicating in modern English on this forum.


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09 Oct 2019, 3:13 pm

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Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


No, you're wrong about everything.
The Kurds have inhabited the land where they live for centuries. It's their land, but the governments that should have been looking out for them as citizens treated them like pariahs.
The Palestinians want all Jews out of their land, making it "Jew Free - the Nazi term of Juden Frei." That is the very definition of an ethno state!


'I know you are but what am I?' Grow the hell up. Have some damn shame and learn from other people rather than making excuses for racist war mongers and calling Palestinians Nazis because of your astounding ignorance and bigotry. Stop pretending you care about Kurds. Their ethno state dream is over. Ethnic nepotism doesn't work.
At least you've shown your true colours.


Says the guy who wants to keep desperate brown refugees from coming to his country.
For the record, keeping the West Bank and Gaza "Jew free" is Palestinian policy. The Palestinian religious leader who had been the first to call for Jews to be driven into the sea was Hitler's ally.


Something like those poor pitiful brown people are so dependent on our superiority. We are the parent, they are the child, cause you know, they're brown.


No, they are desperate people who need a safe place to come to. I'll remind you, they asked to come to the west.


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09 Oct 2019, 3:25 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


No, you're wrong about everything.
The Kurds have inhabited the land where they live for centuries. It's their land, but the governments that should have been looking out for them as citizens treated them like pariahs.
The Palestinians want all Jews out of their land, making it "Jew Free - the Nazi term of Juden Frei." That is the very definition of an ethno state!


'I know you are but what am I?' Grow the hell up. Have some damn shame and learn from other people rather than making excuses for racist war mongers and calling Palestinians Nazis because of your astounding ignorance and bigotry. Stop pretending you care about Kurds. Their ethno state dream is over. Ethnic nepotism doesn't work.
At least you've shown your true colours.


Says the guy who wants to keep desperate brown refugees from coming to his country.
For the record, keeping the West Bank and Gaza "Jew free" is Palestinian policy. The Palestinian religious leader who had been the first to call for Jews to be driven into the sea was Hitler's ally.


It was literally weeks ago that I corrected you on this same false claim, you are just playing the broken record game. I'm not saying it as an insult, but your memory is concerning and I'm not going round in circles with you anymore.

To be clear, and for the last time. It is a billion times worse that you support the policies that create refugees.

For the record that's more B.S. Israel controls the West Bank and controls Gaza from the outside. The PLO agreed to allow some Jewish racial colonies in the West Bank. They want to be free of murderous illegal settlers. You support illegal settlers and illegal immigrants. I'm on the side of the law. Zionist terrorists blew up boats full of Jewish refugees. The Mufti is long dead and was against colonialism. I'd want a bunch of murderous colonialists in the sea too.


People who say they aren't really nativist bigots, they just want the problems creating refugees to end, are not much different from those who say they're not really racist, they're just for keeping every race pure and independent.
In an ideal world, no one would end up as refugees. But this isn't an ideal world. People have always had to run away from someplace else to someplace else, whether it was caused by man made danger and violence, or if it was due to natural disasters. And guess what, it always will happen, whether you like it or not.


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09 Oct 2019, 4:01 pm

Turkey says ground forces have invaded northern Syria; multiple civilians reported dead

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Turkey announced Wednesday that its ground forces invaded northeastern Syria to fight against Kurdish forces just hours after launching an initial assault in the area, as the first reports of deaths emerged.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan launched Operation Peace Spring on Wednesday after President Trump announced the U.S. would withdraw American troops from the area, a move considered by many analysts a blow to the U.S.-backed Kurdish forces there. Erdogan said the mission was to "neutralize terror threats against Turkey and lead to the establishment of a safe zone, facilitating the return of Syrian refugees to their homes."

At least seven civilians were killed in Turkish strikes in northeastern Syria since the country launched an assault Wednesday morning, according to activists and a war monitor.

Trump told reporters Wednesday that he would do "far more than sanctions" against Turkey if the country didn't act in the most "humane way as possible," and that he hoped Erdogan would act rationally. When asked what would happen if Erdogan wiped out the Kurds, Trump threatened to "wipe out" Turkey's economy, saying he'd done it once before.

Trump said the situation was "not a fair deal" for the U.S., and that going into the Middle East was the "worst mistake the U.S. has ever made."

"We're doing jobs that [Europe, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria] should be doing. [...] We're 7,000 miles away," he said.


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09 Oct 2019, 4:13 pm

Historically, the US was never a reliable ally with non-christian countries/peoples.

The Kurds should have dealt with Putin instead.



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09 Oct 2019, 4:16 pm

Somehow I doubt Turkey will take Trump seriously when he says he will wipe out there economy.I see this getting bad for the Kurds.


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09 Oct 2019, 4:18 pm

All the Kurd soldiers' blood that had been spilled for 8 years is gone for vain.



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09 Oct 2019, 4:29 pm

All the US has done in the Middle East is create blood and carnage. Racist liberals are crying for the Kurds but have been silent when previous Presidents have helped slaughter them. Liberals support the colonialist policies that create refugees and corpses by the millions and then cry when Trump pulls troops out that were there illegally to begin with.

I see liberals are saying Trump is doing it because of his Business interests in Turkey with the Trump tower while mentioning that he said he wants to wreck their economy.

The main thing non imperialists care about is Syria and the Syrian people. The US, the UK and others must never be forgiven for what they have tried to do to that country, supporting organ eating, head chopping Al Qaeda groups to remove a leader of a sovereign nation. The whole excuse for the US being in the Middle East was allegedly to fight Al Qaeda but we see they actually support them, and liberals sing along.


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09 Oct 2019, 4:56 pm

I seem to remember it was a Republican President, congress, and senate that got us in this whole mess in the first place.


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09 Oct 2019, 7:33 pm

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I seem to remember it was a Republican President, congress, and senate that got us in this whole mess in the first place.


The whole mess started when Obama was in office.


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I seem to remember it was a Republican President, congress, and senate that got us in this whole mess in the first place.


The whole mess started when Obama was in office.


Obama never invaded Iraq when we were attacked by Muslim religious fanatics in Afghanistan.


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09 Oct 2019, 9:02 pm

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I seem to remember it was a Republican President, congress, and senate that got us in this whole mess in the first place.


The whole mess started when Obama was in office.


Obama never invaded Iraq when we were attacked by Muslim religious fanatics in Afghanistan.


Yeah, but he took us from two to seven wars in the Middle East. I'm sure you'll give him a pass for that. What about the war in Yemen, where we aiding Saudia Arabia as they commit genocide in that country? If you care about the genocide of the Turks, surely you have harsh words for Obama for that one.

Bush is a war criminal, and so is Obama.


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09 Oct 2019, 9:07 pm

Trump expects that the ISIS fighters he effectively set free with his actions this week to make their way to Europe, which doesn't concern him:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4651 ... -to-europe

These ISIS fighters had been imprisoned by our Kurdish allies, who Trump stabbed in the back. Since the Kurds are now having to protect themselves from getting bombed, they can't watch their prisoners anymore and so the prisoners are getting out.

Trump justifies this by asking where were the Kurds when we were invading Normandy during World War II?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... n-normandy

So because the Kurds don't have a country and couldn't help us in World War II, now ISIS fighters will get to escape to Europe.


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09 Oct 2019, 10:57 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
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I seem to remember it was a Republican President, congress, and senate that got us in this whole mess in the first place.


The whole mess started when Obama was in office.


Obama never invaded Iraq when we were attacked by Muslim religious fanatics in Afghanistan.


Yeah, but he took us from two to seven wars in the Middle East. I'm sure you'll give him a pass for that. What about the war in Yemen, where we aiding Saudia Arabia as they commit genocide in that country? If you care about the genocide of the Turks, surely you have harsh words for Obama for that one.

Bush is a war criminal, and so is Obama.


Yes, absolutely, Obama should have known better. And you should have known better than to have solely blamed Obama while giving Bush and the Republicans a pass. It was Bush who had gotten us into the region in the first place.
Besides, who seriously would have thought removing Qaddafi in the first place would have turned out so wrong?


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