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21 Oct 2019, 11:17 am

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Are you seriously claiming that lone wolf Neo-Nazi terrorists who are all interconnected on the internet aren't real Neo-Nazis? Because I'm pretty sure they'd insist they are.


I'm not claiming anything. I'm trying to establish what is and is not. The definition of a neo-nazi is someone who is a member of a neo-nazi organization.

If someone was really into Freemasonry and visited Masonic websites and had Masonic paraphernalia, would that make him a Freemason?

A person need not belong to a Nazi, commie, Conservative, or Progressive party in order to be a Nazi, commie, Conservative, or Progressive. The person just has to believe in most of the ideology.

I had and have no doubts about calling the person whose guns were seized a Nazi in the title of this thread. He is a leader of a Nazi organization that has killed people.

While "neo-Nazi" is literally correct "neo" puts an unneeded caveat into whom these people are.

These terrorist organizations often "encourage" members to kill without giving a direct order to keep out of legal troubles. Lawyers and journalists have to note the "indirect" or "lone wolf" nature of these attacks. I am under no obligation to be complicit in their obfuscation.


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21 Oct 2019, 12:39 pm

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I wonder how long it would take for Texas to get a red flag law.
When you-know-where freezes over.



That might be a bad expression to make your point. Hell is a small town in Michigan. It freezes over every winter.



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21 Oct 2019, 1:09 pm

I think the point is, in this case a person who was part of a nazi group and expressed a desire to commit violence had guns taken away as it should be. Yes I would say the same thing if a black person who was involved in BLM expessed a desire to shoot cops' or if an environmental activist expresses a desire to murder people who drive cars ect. and so on and so fourth. I'd say yes take their guns away.

Well anyways that was my point, not really to argue whether neo-nazis, the kkk, blm or antifa are worse, it would seem that is a divided issue.


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21 Oct 2019, 3:04 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Are you seriously claiming that lone wolf Neo-Nazi terrorists who are all interconnected on the internet aren't real Neo-Nazis? Because I'm pretty sure they'd insist they are.


I'm not claiming anything. I'm trying to establish what is and is not. The definition of a neo-nazi is someone who is a member of a neo-nazi organization.

If someone was really into Freemasonry and visited Masonic websites and had Masonic paraphernalia, would that make him a Freemason?


No, a Neo-Nazi is someone who adheres to the Neo-Nazi ideology.


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21 Oct 2019, 9:51 pm

What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.



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21 Oct 2019, 10:22 pm

EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


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21 Oct 2019, 10:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


You misread what I posted again.



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21 Oct 2019, 10:49 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


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21 Oct 2019, 10:52 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


You are not following along with what I'm saying my friend.



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21 Oct 2019, 11:08 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


You are not following along with what I'm saying my friend.


And I'm just saying there is a specific set of people being discussed. Who says lone maniac killers can't be also Neo--Nazis?


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21 Oct 2019, 11:18 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


You are not following along with what I'm saying my friend.


And I'm just saying there is a specific set of people being discussed. Who says lone maniac killers can't be also Neo--Nazis?


What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people considered "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.



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21 Oct 2019, 11:26 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


You are not following along with what I'm saying my friend.


And I'm just saying there is a specific set of people being discussed. Who says lone maniac killers can't be also Neo--Nazis?


What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people considered "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.


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21 Oct 2019, 11:40 pm

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I haven’t heard of neo nazis killing people either,
A toga and blm have nearly killed a lot of people. So it’s fine if someone’s nearly killed I guess. It’s only matter of time before someone’s killed
Oh wait a blm guy killed two cops.

You guys are a so annoying to me. You have no compassion to the victims of antfia and blm. Let’s see how you’d feel if someone nearly beat you to death. Pretty sure you’d want them arrested and put in prison. The people antics have assaulted and nearly killed don’t see them as the angels you do, to them their w terrorist organization, and they’ve won as peope are terrified to go near them. You won’t catch ,e in downtown Portland. I don’t want to be beat to death by antfia mob.

If it was trump supports dressing and black attacking people in the streets you’d all be throwing a fit demanding they be labeled terriers and locked up.you would t be saying well they haven’t killed s gone yet only nearly killed hundreds of people so it’s ok.

Also you don’t have to kill people to be terrorist.

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims

Describes antfia and blm.

You know how many people radicalized alt-righters have killed? You know how many people hate groups like the KKK have killed? You know how many people bigoted, power-drunk cops have killed? you know how many people NAZIS have killed? A s**t ton! That's way the f**k more than antifa and BLM. Antifa hasn't killed anyone as far as I know, and BLM's overall body count is extremely low.


Doesn’t f*****g matter. They all the same. If isis only killed 2 people would you be fine with them? No you wouldn’t I’m so sick of people here making excuses for terrorist groups.


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21 Oct 2019, 11:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


You are not following along with what I'm saying my friend.


And I'm just saying there is a specific set of people being discussed. Who says lone maniac killers can't be also Neo--Nazis?


What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people considered "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


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21 Oct 2019, 11:46 pm

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people supposedly "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


There's nothing supposed about them being interconnected.
Yes, ideology is the definition of a Neo-Nazi, regardless if they belong to a Nazi group or if they're lone wolves.


I'm not talking about them specifically. I wrote a great many people, far reaching, all people.


But the thread is specifically about Neo-Nazi trash.


You are not following along with what I'm saying my friend.


And I'm just saying there is a specific set of people being discussed. Who says lone maniac killers can't be also Neo--Nazis?


What I am wondering is if there is basically a nazi army rolling around killing people. Because that seems to be the implication. As opposed to it mostly being people with an ideology. The problem I see is a fear of killer nazis being propagated and the inclusion of a great many people in that process.

The term "interconnected" was used in deciphering who is a nazi. That can be very far reaching. It can go from some lone maniacs being murderers, to all nazis being murderers, to all people considered "interconnected" with nazis being a murderous terrorist threat.


Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Uh... I'm pretty certain I never said anyone who voted for Trump is a Nazi.


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21 Oct 2019, 11:47 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.