Will Trump be pulling a Richard Nixon on us?
TheCherokeeRosePrince
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I bet Mike Pence is packing up his things and preparing to move them into the oval office as we speak.
From before Trump was even sworn in one of the speculations has been Pence becoming president was the plan all along. That Trump never really wanted the job. It keeps going from one extreme to the other.
As for the impeachment trial, right now it doesn't appear to be holding any water. It looks like something that was hastily slapped together in a last-ditch effort.
What impeachment trial? As far as I know, the Senate does not appear to be holding an impeachment trial right now. The House is doing a formal impeachment inquiry into allegations that Trump withheld funds Congress appropriated as foreign aid to Ukraine in order to pressure its President to benefit him politically, which has thus far been corroborated by multiple witnesses. But Trump has yet to be impeached, and thus there is as of yet no trial. The House does not hold impeachment trials, but it does have the right to decide if one will take place.
I thought this was a good article from The Atlantic, looking into Trump's rhetoric and what it's got much of Trump's base, like Ezra here, doing:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ok/602185/
The President does not appear to have a coherent case, instead just resorting to a bunch of innuendo:
The Trump defensive playbook has a few distinctive plays. There’s the allegation of a deep-state conspiracy. The demonization of an individual career official. The assertion that the relevant investigation was conceived in sin and is hopelessly tainted by it. The focus on throwing handfuls of spaghetti at the wall, rather than stitching together a coherent alternative narrative. And the radical refusal to see forests for their constituent trees.
Is it going to work—again? That may depend on how we define working in the first place. If working means being remotely convincing to a person who spends any time with the evidence, then no, it will not work. But the playbook in that sense didn’t work the last go-around either. Relatively few people who have actually read the Mueller report, for example, doubt that Trump obstructed justice—and most readers, we venture to guess, didn’t emerge with the sense that the Trump campaign’s dealings with Russia and its agents were all on the up-and-up.
But the goal of the playbook is not to convince the careful reader of the evidence. It’s not even aimed at the swing voter. The purpose of the playbook, rather, is to keep intact that narrow political coalition on which Trump’s power rests. He was elected with 46 percent of the popular vote and an Electoral College majority that depended on razor-thin victories in a few states. What keeps him in power today is the commitment of his voting base to him, and the fear congressional Republicans have of upsetting that voting base by abandoning Trump.
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Using The Hierophant to represent Mike Pence and Judgement to represent a change of position and outcome should he replace Trump as the new president.
I see a 5 of Cups, showing two children guarded by a man with a spear. Pence will be tasked with defending this country from what he views as a 'threat' to conservative Christian values. His promise as the new president will be about "defending our youth" from homosexuals/transgenders and abortion. Things he believes to be evil.
I see a 5 of Pentacles. A beggar man and beggar woman standing outside a church window in the freezing snow (and the man appears to be a wounded war veteran no less). This is pretty much the American Evangelical's uncharitable message to the poor saying that they "deserve to be poor" through the prosperity gospel. Iow they arent welcomed in this church.
Third Card I see is the 3 of Cups. Three women having a drunken celebration. The GOP and Evangelicals will be toasting Pence's victory, deciding that he was the president they wanted over Trump. He will have another cult following rivaling that of Trump's MAGAs.
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TheCherokeeRosePrince
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I bet Mike Pence is packing up his things and preparing to move them into the oval office as we speak.
From before Trump was even sworn in one of the speculations has been Pence becoming president was the plan all along. That Trump never really wanted the job. It keeps going from one extreme to the other.
As for the impeachment trial, right now it doesn't appear to be holding any water. It looks like something that was hastily slapped together in a last-ditch effort.
What impeachment trial? As far as I know, the Senate does not appear to be holding an impeachment trial right now. The House is doing a formal impeachment inquiry into allegations that Trump withheld funds Congress appropriated as foreign aid to Ukraine in order to pressure its President to benefit him politically, which has thus far been corroborated by multiple witnesses. But Trump has yet to be impeached, and thus there is as of yet no trial. The House does not hold impeachment trials, but it does have the right to decide if one will take place.
I thought this was a good article from The Atlantic, looking into Trump's rhetoric and what it's got much of Trump's base, like Ezra here, doing:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ok/602185/
The President does not appear to have a coherent case, instead just resorting to a bunch of innuendo:
The Trump defensive playbook has a few distinctive plays. There’s the allegation of a deep-state conspiracy. The demonization of an individual career official. The assertion that the relevant investigation was conceived in sin and is hopelessly tainted by it. The focus on throwing handfuls of spaghetti at the wall, rather than stitching together a coherent alternative narrative. And the radical refusal to see forests for their constituent trees.
Is it going to work—again? That may depend on how we define working in the first place. If working means being remotely convincing to a person who spends any time with the evidence, then no, it will not work. But the playbook in that sense didn’t work the last go-around either. Relatively few people who have actually read the Mueller report, for example, doubt that Trump obstructed justice—and most readers, we venture to guess, didn’t emerge with the sense that the Trump campaign’s dealings with Russia and its agents were all on the up-and-up.
But the goal of the playbook is not to convince the careful reader of the evidence. It’s not even aimed at the swing voter. The purpose of the playbook, rather, is to keep intact that narrow political coalition on which Trump’s power rests. He was elected with 46 percent of the popular vote and an Electoral College majority that depended on razor-thin victories in a few states. What keeps him in power today is the commitment of his voting base to him, and the fear congressional Republicans have of upsetting that voting base by abandoning Trump.
All that because I accidentally used the wrong word.
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I bet Mike Pence is packing up his things and preparing to move them into the oval office as we speak.
From before Trump was even sworn in one of the speculations has been Pence becoming president was the plan all along. That Trump never really wanted the job. It keeps going from one extreme to the other.
As for the impeachment trial, right now it doesn't appear to be holding any water. It looks like something that was hastily slapped together in a last-ditch effort.
You're absolutely right about it being rushed but maybe this impeachment process serves the purpose of bringing out the worst in Trump's behavior so that more Americans will vote against him in the next election?
I think it's working due to the way he's losing support in normally conservative states like Kentucky, Georgia, and Louisiana.
I think many Americans are getting bored with Trump's little reality show in the White House.
Keep dreaming, Zoltar! Louisiana's winner is a deeply rooted servant with conservative leanings (pro-life), Kentucky is facing a huge teacher's union crisis. These results don't mean what you think they do.
For the record, I would be fine with Trump passing the torch to Pence though.
His reign shan't be long. As election day draws closer, Pence would have little time to make significant changes. And on top of that, even though he is a fundie, I don't see him commanding Trump's cult of personality which enveloped both the white evangelicals, white nationalists (as small as their numbers are), or rural whites. Pence would be gone by next November.
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No plan; just Trump self destructing as expected. Hopefully he won't take the whole country with him.
Stringing out apparently bogus investigations, hearings and inquiries all through a term in office as close to election time as possible is a pretty obvious plan. If it takes the country down the democrats will be the ones responsible for the downfall.
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If you didn't a zillion other people have already.
I'm curious as to what it means if all the card readers out there get all kinds of different readings regarding the same issues?
Not sure, but MY card readings have predicted a lot of things so far.
For example when doing a reading for Donald Trump (3 of Diamonds) and Melania Trump (8 of Clubs) I predicted the Santa Clarita high school shooting that happened two days later. I pulled a Jack of Spades meaning "A dangerous dark haired youth". Guess what? The troubled 16 year old shooter had black hair.


*does witchy cackle*
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I predicted "a dangerous youth with dark hair". I was actually thinking it would end up being another terrorist attack but, eh, another school shooting is close enough.
And this WILL effect Trump's chances at re-election seeing how he didn't keep up on his promises to do something about gun control after the El Paso Walmart shooting.
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