Dylann Roof's lawyers appeal death sentence citing autism

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While Dylann Roof had an unsteady home life I have seen no evidence that he was abused or bullied.


That is why there is no .75 Autism age

Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 30 Jan 2020, 9:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

A little off-topic but the stereotype of PTSD "psycho" Vietnam veteran propagated by the news and entertainment industries in the decades after the war has done all sorts of harm.

I think the idea is that many autistic people get told, "You lack common sense" (lack big picture thinking) when younger.

However, as they age, and learn what is going on, that likely diminishes.

So, their "maturity" is perceived to develop slower.

Here is a WP topic about "lacking common sense"
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Commonsense is actually rather uncommon and many autistic people are quite capable of achieving it.

Here is a strange thought. I was told a few years ago by a psych that I read on the level of a 35-year-old Ph.D. graduate. Ok, cool. It's like book-Netflix, all access. But one day, before I even knew how Aspergers' worked, and shortly before I was diagnosed, I was panicking on the telephone as usual and mentioned something about "going through life like an autistic 14-year-old" which the person I was talking to thought was a curious way to put it...and so that is how I dug into the question of age, actual age, and rough imprecise equivalences.

Anyhow, we are talking about "autistic age" but we need to see it as just a way of speech. Taking it too literally is a very autistic thing to do--a "figure of speech" is not the pronunciation marks in the Webster's Dictionary. Of course we all know that but it's easy to get caught up in the joy of being too literal.

And that is neither defending nor condemning Root but simply exploring an interesting concept posed by one of our members a while back. It might well be nuts. In which case I am sure Fnord will crack it expertly as usual.

Common sense varies according to location and time, its a reactive set of behaviours not some internal mechanism. What is common sense in one place or era is often stupidity in another. I suspect that NTs seem to think they all possess it and none of we AS people do, - and if so that is yet another of their simplistic binaries that lack common sense.... (oh the irony!)

Okay...

So you're actually agreeing with me that autism per se doesn't cause criminal behavior.

Its other factors that can cause criminal behavior, and these other factors can be caused by autism.

So lets walk through this.

Growing up autistic pretty much guarantees that you will become a lightening rod for some amount of abuse. Some autistics get more than others.

And you're saying that some autistics can get SO much abuse that it causes them PTSD.

And that PTSD can cause criminal behavior.

Now I have heard of NT Vietnam vets getting off on a PTSD defense for murder. A guy hears a noise outside while trying to sleep at night, and gets up to investigate. Gets a gun out of his drawer. Goes walking around the yard at night. And then gets a flashback that he is on patrol back in Nam, and goes on mental autopilot. And then shoots some innocent person because he thought he was protecting his squad from the Viet Cong.

But going zombie with a gun is not the same thing as premeditated mass murder.

I still don't quite follow your logic.

You didn't have any actual knowledge of the person who you were responding to,it's one thing to counter a viewpoint it's another to make accusations toward people with no knowledge that those accusations are even true.

What accusations? If you're referring to the statement that "it was your actions that got you fired", then that is not a mere accusation. People get fired for their actions (or lack of action), and not for their thoughts, feelings, or memories. I should know, since I've had to dismiss several people over the last 30 years or so for laziness, incompetence, disruptive behavior, violence and threats of violence.

Now, who died and made you moderator?

You don't know why he got fired,you don't know anything about him,your just doing what you always do,trolling,putting people down and being as negative as possible.

Pot ... Kettle ... Black ...

Take it up with the moderators.

Oh, wait ... you already have ...

How is it "the pot calling the kettle black" who do I bother,I don't really get involved with opinions most of the time,I deal more in facts without interpretation most of the time.

Not to interrupt a good fight, but according to their profile, The Robot is a she, not a he...

Why, so she is! I suppose we should deal more closely with the facts, shouldn't we?

What facts? I thought this thread is about speculation and assumptions

Aren't they all?

That's just a theory.