Mississippi gov declares April ‘Confederate Heritage Month’

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09 Apr 2020, 11:58 pm

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I think southerners have a right to feel nostalgia for their history and culture just like anybody else. It's just a bit tricky when it was such a nasty period for many millions who were shackled.

The Germans done a good job bypassing nostalgia for the years between 1933-1945 but the poor Southerners its more like 400 years,.

While it's fair to say the south as a whole hasn't ever really appeared repentant for that period, it's fair to say Tw1ggy isn't part of that cohort so stomping on his toes every time the topic comes up doesn't really accomplish anything.

Was never aiming this at the OP....my target was the governor who also happens to be the subject of this thread

You should probably be more clear in communicating that to him. I don't believe I'm mistaken when I say this isn't the first time.

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10 Apr 2020, 12:04 am

Tw1ggy wrote:

The few of us in the south who do try to be progressive are constantly put down by people just like you who always feel the need to remind us that we're the evil racist half of the country. .

I never actually said that, I was talking about the governor but acknowledged that many southerners want to have the right to feel nostalgia for their history and culture without all the nasty stuff.

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10 Apr 2020, 12:09 am

cyberdad wrote:

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The few of us in the south who do try to be progressive are constantly put down by people just like you who always feel the need to remind us that we're the evil racist half of the country. .

I never actually said that, I was talking about the governor but acknowledged that many southerners want to have the right to feel nostalgia for their history and culture without all the nasty stuff.

I guess that's exactly the problem then because the majority of 'our' history and culture is nasty, and we're still a young country that has not been a real chance to evolve past that, but then again I guess it's quite possible the south doesn't want to change.

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10 Apr 2020, 12:56 am

There were in fact plenty of white southerners who had fought on the side of the Union, either with the Union army, or by carrying on guerilla warfare within the Confederacy. Other than the movie, Free State Of Jones, who honors them?

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10 Apr 2020, 1:40 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Was never aiming this at the OP....my target was the governor who also happens to be the subject of this thread

And I thought Mississippi couldn't sink any lower than Phil Bryant. And they're doing this in a state that, by 2030 at the latest, will be predominantly black.

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10 Apr 2020, 3:05 am

Let's just say the black folk in Mississippi won't be lining up to dress their children in "period costumes" from the confederacy to celebrate the governor's heritage month.

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10 Apr 2020, 4:10 am

will racism never end?

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10 Apr 2020, 5:22 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

I, for one never, believed Germans bore any sort of guilt for the war or the death camps, collective or otherwise, except if they were personally involved with causing those things. And I say that because I sincerely believe it, and not just because my people had come from Germany well over a century before.
May I ask, what part of Deutschland did the German half of you come from?

The good part. :wink:

I am not interested (don't have a need) in being proud of my ancestry.
But, on the other hand, I don't feel a need to be ashamed of it either.
Ancestry and historic events are two separate things.
I imagine many moderate "Southerners" feel the same.

If push came to shove, and someone was trying to control me because of my ancestry, I'd be defiant also.

I might do a little digging about what started the American Civil War.

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10 Apr 2020, 5:23 am

auntblabby wrote:

will racism never end?

Not in your or my lifetime. :wink:

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10 Apr 2020, 5:49 am

funeralxempire wrote:

cberg wrote:

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We haven’t had a civil war.....since the Civil War.

You rebelled against your British king.
Doesn't that count? :mrgreen:

It just didn't happen in mother England. :wink:

A: Pepe has his chronology backwards here.
B: Nobody in the present day U.S. ever had a British monarch.

Refusing to recognize Elizabeth, second of her name of the House Windsor as your rightful monarch doesn't make her any less your Queen.

I jokingly suggested the first civil war involved King George III.
I deliberately distorted Kortie's comment to include that one.
And, having done so, erroneously rendered his comment false, since there was one after.

It wasn't a serious comment.
Yes, it was convoluted/tortured.
But it did have logical integrity.

I have been known to make a joke from time to time. :wink:

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10 Apr 2020, 7:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

OK,
Your it. :mrgreen:

Take a gander at the following:

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Slavery in the United States was the legal institution of human chattel enslavement, primarily of Africans and African Americans, that existed in the United States of America from the beginning of the nation in 1776 until passage of the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. Slavery had been practiced in British America from early colonial days, and was legal in all thirteen colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Under the law, an enslaved person was treated as property and could be bought, sold, or given away. Slavery lasted in about half of U.S. states until 1865. As an economic system, slavery was largely replaced by sharecropping and convict leasing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... ted_States

Is it safe to say that all of America, initially, embraced the concept of slavery?
Constitutionally, it did.

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10 Apr 2020, 8:02 am

Actually, many of the Founding Fathers wanted to do away with slavery. Especially those who had no vast plantations.

Unfortunately, they had to compromise. The slave trade was abolished in 1808, though slavery officially continued until 1865.

Ironically, the Emancipation Proclamation only emancipated slaves in the Confederacy. Slaves weren’t emancipated in the Union states until 1865.

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10 Apr 2020, 8:12 am

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... Ironically, the Emancipation Proclamation only emancipated slaves in the Confederacy. Slaves weren’t emancipated in the Union states until 1865.

Nothing ironic about it. The EP was made in 1862. The American Civil War was already underway, and ended in 1865. Had the South simply obeyed the law, slavery would have ended three years earlier.

The North had industry, innovation, and the best minds in America. The South had only slaves, cotton, and arrogance. Guess which side was doomed to lose the war?

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10 Apr 2020, 8:24 am

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The North had industry, innovation, and the best minds in America. The South had only slaves, cotton, and arrogance. Guess which side was doomed to lose the war?[/color]

Gee I wonder what movie you got that quote from? Anyways I think the North has plenty of arrogance to go around too. Maybe most Americans in general are arrogant and ethnocentric? Northeners and Southerners. And Westerners.

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10 Apr 2020, 8:42 am

Tw1ggy wrote:

Fnord wrote:

The North had industry, innovation, and the best minds in America. The South had only slaves, cotton, and arrogance. Guess which side was doomed to lose the war?[/color]

Gee I wonder what movie you got that quote game from? , anyways I think the North has plenty of arrogance too. Maybe Americans in general are arrogant and ethnocentric? Northeners and Southerners.

Hey, Tw1z! How ya been? Yes, that movie had a few memorable quotes, some of which actually make sense.

Now the only question is how to use the male protagonist's final line in this thread...

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10 Apr 2020, 8:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

Actually, many of the Founding Fathers wanted to do away with slavery. Especially those who had no vast plantations.

Unfortunately, they had to compromise. The slave trade was abolished in 1808, though slavery officially continued until 1865.

Ironically, the Emancipation Proclamation only emancipated slaves in the Confederacy. Slaves weren’t emancipated in the Union states until 1865.

WOT!
Your kidding.
"Do as I say and not as I do"?
Mega-hypocrisy.

Was there a valid reason for this?

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