GOP Sen. Tom Cotton calls slavery "a necessary evil"

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under any circumstance, can slavery legitimately be termed "a necessary evil"?
yes, in at least one case as described. :| 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
HELL NO! NEVER! :x 71%  71%  [ 12 ]
i'm not sure. :shrug: 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
i don't know what in blazes the senator's talking about. :huh: 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
where's my spumoni? :chef: 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
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28 Jul 2020, 1:40 pm

Slavery is a crime against humanity.



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28 Jul 2020, 2:46 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Instead of being angry at Cotton, here is some current real world stuff to be outraged by:

Together, these 10 countries – China, Democratic Republic of the Congo, India, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, the Philippines and Russia – comprise 60% of all the people living in modern slavery, as well as more than half the world's population, according to the Global Slavery Index.Feb 25, 2019
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Slavery exist TODAY and its NOT the Republicans enslaving people.

That’s whataboutery. The existence of slavery in other countries doesn’t detract from the shittiness of the Senator from Arkansas.

There is plenty of slavery in America too. The same report you cited estimates that 400,000 people are held in modern slavery in the USA.

It should be noted that the GSI’s methodology has been criticised: https://www.antitraffickingreview.org/i ... ew/228/216

And of course, in the US slavery is still legal if you are imprisoned. American lawmakers of many different stripes have turned a blind eye. Some have pushed for reform, but not enough.


But that dopamine hit that comes from virtue signaling is soo great so go on hating Tom Cotton.



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28 Jul 2020, 3:00 pm

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Instead of being angry at Cotton...
HILLARY! OBAMA! HITLER! The Bicycle Riders!



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28 Jul 2020, 3:38 pm

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But that dopamine hit that comes from virtue signaling is soo great so go on hating Tom Cotton deflecting with criticisms of China or Iran instead of focusing on domestic concerns


FTFY :mrgreen:


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28 Jul 2020, 3:51 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
But that dopamine hit that comes from virtue signaling is so great so go on hating Tom Cotton.
But that juvenile attempt to derail this thread from "GOP Sen. Tom Cotton calls slavery 'a necessary evil'" to completely unrelated topics is even more obvious.

If you want to discuss your Chinese friends, then please start another thread.

Thank you.



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28 Jul 2020, 6:31 pm

Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
But that dopamine hit that comes from virtue signaling is so great so go on hating Tom Cotton.
But that juvenile attempt to derail this thread from "GOP Sen. Tom Cotton calls slavery 'a necessary evil'" to completely unrelated topics is even more obvious.

If you want to discuss your Chinese friends, then please start another thread.

Thank you.

Ive read a lot of your posts. You're really one to be calling people juvenile.
Thing is, everyone on this thread has made up there minds despite the evidence to the contrary. this is intellectually dishonest in the extreme. Disagree with someone just call them a racist.



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28 Jul 2020, 7:26 pm

the point the right wing ignores, is that slavery was NEVER necessary. NEVER.



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28 Jul 2020, 7:27 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the point the right wing ignores, is that slavery was NEVER necessary. NEVER.


Neither was colonialism, but once you open that can of worms even liberals get uncomfortable; ultimately the two were intertwined.


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28 Jul 2020, 7:31 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the point the right wing ignores, is that slavery was NEVER necessary. NEVER.


Neither was colonialism, but once you open that can of worms even liberals get uncomfortable; ultimately the two were intertwined.

yes, that is another whole thread that would make this one seem like a discussion of the virtues of gummy bears.



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28 Jul 2020, 7:35 pm

auntblabby wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the point the right wing ignores, is that slavery was NEVER necessary. NEVER.


Neither was colonialism, but once you open that can of worms even liberals get uncomfortable; ultimately the two were intertwined.

yes, that is another whole thread that would make this one seem like a discussion of the virtues of gummy bears.


Our world is built upon wide scale theft of land, resources and labour for the past >400 years. I'd be better off starting a YouTube or similar channel to cover this in the detail it deserves, a few long, essay-posts here seems like more effort than the benefit they could possibly have.


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28 Jul 2020, 7:38 pm

this is a riff off of bismarck's comment about how politics is the art of the possible, the attainable, the 2nd-best. we can't practically undo the damage we have already done but we can make serious attempts at avoiding further damage, practical gestures in the direction of amelioration- but instead of that we're doubling-down on more damage.



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28 Jul 2020, 7:42 pm

auntblabby wrote:
this is a riff off of bismarck's comment about how politics is the art of the possible, the attainable, the 2nd-best. we can't practically undo the damage we have already done but we can make serious attempts at avoiding further damage, practical gestures in the direction of amelioration- but instead of that we're doubling-down on more damage.


Hence my sig.


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28 Jul 2020, 8:12 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Instead of being angry at Cotton, here is some current real world stuff to be outraged by:

Together, these 10 countries – China, Democratic Republic of the Congo, India, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, the Philippines and Russia – comprise 60% of all the people living in modern slavery, as well as more than half the world's population, according to the Global Slavery Index.Feb 25, 2019
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Slavery exist TODAY and its NOT the Republicans enslaving people.


You conveniently leave out that slave masters (such as one of the founding fathers) in the US had the power to rape children and torture and kill their slaves without consequence.

Cotton might be able to hide behind semantics over "enslavement" as being necessary (barely) but he would have a hard time justifying why it was necessary to have legally allowed "abuse". The anti-slavery movement in the 19th century were made up of christians who found it incompatible i) with the premise that all men were created equal and ii) how you get through the gates of St Peter in heaven while living off the proceeds of human misery.

Cotton "mouth" might have fooled you but some of us aren't buying his "tricks" with words.



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29 Jul 2020, 3:54 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
But that dopamine hit that comes from virtue signaling is so great so go on hating Tom Cotton.
But that juvenile attempt to derail this thread from "GOP Sen. Tom Cotton calls slavery 'a necessary evil'" to completely unrelated topics is even more obvious.

If you want to discuss your Chinese friends, then please start another thread.

Thank you.

Ive read a lot of your posts. You're really one to be calling people juvenile.
Thing is, everyone on this thread has made up there minds despite the evidence to the contrary. this is intellectually dishonest in the extreme. Disagree with someone just call them a racist.


How would you prefer we describe someone who holds racist views? :?


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29 Jul 2020, 5:36 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Instead of being angry at Cotton, here is some current real world stuff to be outraged by:

Together, these 10 countries – China, Democratic Republic of the Congo, India, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, the Philippines and Russia – comprise 60% of all the people living in modern slavery, as well as more than half the world's population, according to the Global Slavery Index.Feb 25, 2019
Wikipedia
Slavery exist TODAY and its NOT the Republicans enslaving people.

That’s whataboutery. The existence of slavery in other countries doesn’t detract from the shittiness of the Senator from Arkansas.

There is plenty of slavery in America too. The same report you cited estimates that 400,000 people are held in modern slavery in the USA.

It should be noted that the GSI’s methodology has been criticised: https://www.antitraffickingreview.org/i ... ew/228/216

And of course, in the US slavery is still legal if you are imprisoned. American lawmakers of many different stripes have turned a blind eye. Some have pushed for reform, but not enough.


But that dopamine hit that comes from virtue signaling is soo great so go on hating Tom Cotton.

It’s a sorry state of affairs when staying innocent facts is considered “virtual signalling”.

You keep saying there is “evidence” that Tom Cotton didn’t say these things, but in your posts so far you haven’t included any such evidence. Indeed, the only quote from Mr Cotton that you did include showed him saying the exact thing that you claimed he hadn’t said.



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29 Jul 2020, 6:23 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Instead of being angry at Cotton, here is some current real world stuff to be outraged by:

Together, these 10 countries – China, Democratic Republic of the Congo, India, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, the Philippines and Russia – comprise 60% of all the people living in modern slavery, as well as more than half the world's population, according to the Global Slavery Index.Feb 25, 2019
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Slavery exist TODAY and its NOT the Republicans enslaving people.


Gotta love dat conservative whataboutism deflection.

Also :lol: slavery exists today in the US and it is very much Republicans doing the enslaving (that's not entirely fair, many Democrats have contributed, digustingly enough, but their support for this cannot compare to republicans').
The modern slavery upheld by the Republican party is Mass Incarceration. The 13th Amendment contains the convenient exception that slavery may exist as punishment for a crime. So good news, racists from 1865 onward: if you still want to enslave people, just arrest them for something (or nothing--this is America so the criminal is always guilty of whatever the infallible officer says).
Those companies which benefitted from prison slave labor used their resultant wealth to 'incentivize' the police to make more arrests for whatever reasons they felt like making up. Private prisons in America are the new plantations, and they love to inject millions of pro-slavery dollars into Republican campaign funds.
Modern mass incarceration and the War on Drugs grew out of this pattern of imprisoning black Americans to enslave them. Pursuing marijuana arrests let them undermine leftist movements by characterizing them as a bunch of commies and hippie stoners. And crack cocaine arrests did the same for the black community. Why do you think the CIA flooded the inner city with cocaine from US-allied regimes in Latin America?
Not only did this allow for the enslavement of millions of Americans, it also disenfranchised them because of laws barring convicts and felons from voting. Republicans are still fighting tooth and nail to keep those laws on the books. Thus: enslaving Americans and taking away their voting rights are now cornerstones of Republican policy. They just dress it up with sanitized phrases like 'tough on crime'.

China's incarceration rate is less than 1/5 of ours bc less incarceration means fewer slaves.


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