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12 Jan 2021, 11:08 am

I am a trained social science researcher, there are serious problems with the analysis presented here. What it does not do is show racism is not a huge problem in Australia for native communities, just as these problems exist in the US and many countries around the world. The way it is presented is really problematic--it is not presented in neutral terms, but like clickbait with common use of faulty logic that has been used to support racist ideas. Given these arguments have also been presented the the US, I can understand why MaxE would react as they did.

I have no idea the intent of Pepe, but it does not excuse the topic under discussion. The material presented should be under discussion.

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12 Jan 2021, 11:34 am

I agree that analyses here are poor and skewed.
Pepe was stressing on what the Aboriginal people say so I just listened to the interviews and responded with my interpretations of "the raw data" - the way I generally approach any news.

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12 Jan 2021, 11:40 am

Jiheisho wrote:

... I have no idea the intent of Pepe, but it does not excuse the topic under discussion...

I wonder if the mods are aware of the implications of presenting racially-skewed articles on this website.

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12 Jan 2021, 11:59 am

It's not racist itself to say aboriginals have problems with drugs and crime, it's racist to use this against them and ignoring why this is common among them and looking at the root factor.

Racists will skew facts and misconstrue it. This is why I don't bother arguing with them.

I can see how this thread can be seen as racist and be seen as a guise for a regular discussion.

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13 Jan 2021, 2:13 am

MaxE wrote:

This is probably the first time in the history of WP that somebody started a thread with the express purpose of promoting racism.

So, you are saying it was *MY* express purpose to promote racism, since I was the person who created this thread.
It was a conscious decision on my part.
And since I am the most enlightened skunk in the universe, I expressly knew what I was doing.

[thinks]
I started this thread.
MaxE said, the person who started the thread had the express purpose of promoting racism.
Therefore, I am a promoter of racism.

[re-think]
Who is this person?
Who has this express purpose?
It must be Fnord, surely?

Nope.
That doesn't seem to be logically valid. :shameonyou:

Was MaxE talking about the maker of the video having the express purpose of promoting racism?
No he was not.
He was talking about the *creator* of the *thread*, not the video.

How can it be taken *any* other way than MaxE calling me, *personally*, a promoter of racism, and thereby, through extension, a racist?
Seriously, in what universe? :roll:

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13 Jan 2021, 2:46 am

Fnord wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

... I have no idea the intent of Pepe, but it does not excuse the topic under discussion...

I wonder if the mods are aware of the implications of presenting racially-skewed articles on this website.

Here is part of the transcript of the video:

-What are the 3 most important issues in this community, here?
-If I posed that question to most aboriginal Australians,... how do you think they will respond?
-What really matters to our indigenous population? Those who live in out back Australia?
-There are issues, but we can't tell you.
-White people dictating what the aboriginal issues are.

I think it time for you to do the hard yakka and post the things you find offensive.
I am not saying I agree with the way everything is said, but that doesn't mean everything he or the aboriginal women said is incorrect, either.

Having an honest and rational discussion about the content of this video is hardly a hanging offence.

Also:
What about the other videos that I have presented which indicates that there are more pressing issues than a change of a word in the national anthem?
Step up to the plate, mate.

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13 Jan 2021, 2:58 am

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My own "racism" threshold happens to be quite high because my culture largely lacks the very concept of race - visible traits suggesting one's ancestry being of particular social value - with a tradition of defining one's ethnicity mainly by their first language instead.

Poland is certainly classified as a tolerant country
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-you.html

However that doesn't mean the Polish culture lacks the concept of race
https://time.com/5874185/poland-racism-women-murzyn/

According to the TIme article the term Murzyn is widely used throughout Poland and the women in the article are all Polish speaking and consider themselves Polish but they referred to by their race not by their language.

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13 Jan 2021, 3:13 am

Isn't Rebel News (who made the video in the OP) the same company that employed Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys?

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13 Jan 2021, 3:32 am

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Isn't Rebel News (who made the video in the OP) the same company that employed Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys?

Indeed it is. Canada's own alt-right media outlet.

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13 Jan 2021, 3:36 am

GGPViper wrote:

Isn't Rebel News (who made the video in the OP) the same company that employed Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys?

Oops, Pepe you might need a different source mate, seriously embarrassing,

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13 Jan 2021, 4:26 am

cyberdad wrote:

magz wrote:

Poland is certainly classified as a tolerant country
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-you.html

The way the surveys have been constructed, they rather show which countries have the strongest race taboos :lol:

NVM, off-topic.

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However that doesn't mean the Polish culture lacks the concept of race
https://time.com/5874185/poland-racism-women-murzyn/

According to the TIme article the term Murzyn is widely used throughout Poland and the women in the article are all Polish speaking and consider themselves Polish but they referred to by their race not by their language.

The most discriminated groups here are Russians and Ukrainians who happen to be the same "race" as locals. They are commonly targeted with open, disinhibited hate.
I don't say we don't have harmful prejudice, I say the main lines of division go elsewhere.

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13 Jan 2021, 4:47 am

GGPViper wrote:

Isn't Rebel News (who made the video in the OP) the same company that employed Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys?

Do we have Proud Boys in Australia?

So what is it that you have a problem with in the video?

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13 Jan 2021, 4:48 am

cyberdad wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Isn't Rebel News (who made the video in the OP) the same company that employed Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys?

Oops, Pepe you might need a different source mate, seriously embarrassing,

Why aren't I feeling embarrassed, my friend?

And I have provided several sources where aboriginals are giving there point of view.

BTW,
So, what is it that you have a problem with in the video?

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13 Jan 2021, 5:41 am

Pepe wrote:

So, what is it that you have a problem with in the video?

The video makers are pretty obvious in using the interviews to discredit city-based Aboriginal activists, even if the issues are irrelevant to each other.

An example of what I find twisting the very interviews to push a political agenda in the video:

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Like, he used the ladies worrying about crime as an argument against releasing aboriginals from jail (...) "youth crime" being a problem is not about feeling threatned by bandits who should be in jail. It's about seeing your sons turning to crime and ending up in jail.

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13 Jan 2021, 6:15 am

Pepe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Isn't Rebel News (who made the video in the OP) the same company that employed Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys?

Oops, Pepe you might need a different source mate, seriously embarrassing,

Why aren't I feeling embarrassed, my friend?

And I have provided several sources where aboriginals are giving there point of view.

BTW,
So, what is it that you have a problem with in the video?

Rebel news is linked to the proud boys. I mean for me that's a "no thanks".

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13 Jan 2021, 6:53 pm

magz wrote:

Pepe wrote:

So, what is it that you have a problem with in the video?

The video makers are pretty obvious in using the interviews to discredit city-based Aboriginal activists, even if the issues are irrelevant to each other.

That was rather obvious to me also.
But the thrust of the video was saying 'city-based activists' are not addressing the "real" problems.

So, are you saying that you do believe in the position of the 'city-based activists' on where the focus of reform should be and disbelieve the aboriginal women in the three videos I have provided?

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An example of what I find twisting the very interviews to push a political agenda in the video: Like, he used the ladies worrying about crime as an argument against releasing aboriginals from jail (...) "youth crime" being a problem is not about feeling threatned by bandits who should be in jail. It's about seeing your sons turning to crime and ending up in jail.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=393499&start=48#p8691116[/quote]

The woman interviewed was worried about youth crime *and* crime.
I can give you the exact time when she said that, if you like.

Presumably, she was referring to domestic violence also.
In the other video/s, domestic violence was *the* main concern.

But one of the main points of why the video was presented was to show the concerns of the outback community, in general, did not revolve around things such as changing one word of the national anthem or changing the date of Australia day.

I am not saying the person making the video doesn't have a political agenda.
I am saying I think he has a valid point that activists are directing attention away from the more pressing issues of the outback aboriginal communities.

Also, I find it odd that some people believe the activists over the perspective of the women presented in the video.
Why not believe them, regardless of who made the movie?
Even Adolf Hitler The Devil is capable of telling the truth.
I hope you can see my reasoning.

Do you disagree with what I am saying, here?

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