Claim: Covid-19 "genetically engineered to target humans"

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23 Jan 2021, 5:02 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ How reliable Sun is tho? I heard it's yellow journalism.
The Sun UK is trash, well known for sensationalist made-up stories and "celeb" tittle-tattle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_(United_Kingdom)


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23 Jan 2021, 5:16 pm

I'd have thought any young virus-around-town would be hoping to infect humans, we're a particularly numerous host. From that point of view there's definitely been some Darwinian genetic engineering in the jump from bats and pangolins to humans (and other species besides).

I'm less convinced there's been any deliberate human interference, though.

There's certainly a history of viruses originating in China, but that could have more to do with the size of the country, its trade and travel patterns, population size, hygiene standards etc. etc. than any deliberate plot. Especially as some of the history dates from times when deliberate human genetic engineering definitely wasn't a thing.



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23 Jan 2021, 5:20 pm

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There's certainly a history of viruses originating in China... some of the history dates from times when deliberate human genetic engineering definitely wasn't a thing.

I'm convinced we've lived through similar viruses over the decades. But no one made a fuss. They were seen as particularly bad flu years. This time around, we're destroying the economy over a virus that isn't really THAT destructive or even all that deadly. But that's crazy conspiracy talk, right? Let's get back to talk of genetically modified super viruses!



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23 Jan 2021, 5:43 pm

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I'm less convinced there's been any deliberate human interference, though.
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More likely human incompetence



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23 Jan 2021, 5:56 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
I'm less convinced there's been any deliberate human interference, though.
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More likely human incompetence

Well that's a constant across the centuries.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:02 pm

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There's certainly a history of viruses originating in China... some of the history dates from times when deliberate human genetic engineering definitely wasn't a thing.

I'm convinced we've lived through similar viruses over the decades. But no one made a fuss. They were seen as particularly bad flu years. This time around, we're destroying the economy over a virus that isn't really THAT destructive or even all that deadly. But that's crazy conspiracy talk, right? Let's get back to talk of genetically modified super viruses!

For every killer virus that hits the big time, there will be plenty that never make it.

So yes, there will have been lots of viruses that never got very far. Either they morphed into something less harmful, or chose to specialise in a host that wasn't us, or they never moved very far geographically.

I don't think that's a good reason to ignore Covid-19, though. While there are plenty of viral also-rans, there are also some that do a huge amount of damage, and this is one of those. I know there are plenty of people saying "It's no worse than flu" but they ignore the fact it's equivalent with flu despite 10 months of elaborate control measures. Had those measures not been in place, would we be seeing parity with modern-day flu mortality? No, of course not.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:09 pm

^ On my facebook load, I am seeing obituaries of friends/acquaintances' parents/grandparents/uncles ; dying within days apart only (and yes from Covid-19). I have never seen a flu doing so.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:10 pm

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I know there are plenty of people saying "It's no worse than flu" but they ignore the fact it's equivalent with flu despite 10 months of elaborate control measures. Had those measures not been in place, would we be seeing parity with modern-day flu mortality? No, of course not.


Flu deaths are down dramatically. Not because of quarantine. Rather, because anything and everything is counted as a COVID death. Numbers are inflated and many fatalities are counted as "death from COVID-19." And of course, there is the balance. How many people had to cancel medical procedures because of COVID, thus affecting their health? How many are depressed? We're gonna see a rise in suicides, overdoses, and domestic violence. The numbers will be worse than COVID fatalities would have been had we just let the virus run its course.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:14 pm

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^ On my facebook load, I am seeing obituaries of friends/acquaintances' parents/grandparents/uncles ; dying within days apart only (and yes from Covid-19). I have never seen a flu doing so.

Despite all these lockdowns, these people still died from COVID-19. The rest of us are still as susceptible to catching the virus in a lockdown society as we would have been in an open society, and very few of us are at risk of dying from it in either scenario. The destruction caused by lockdowns will prove to be far worse than the virus ever could have been for most of us.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:14 pm

^ I dunno, but those people I am talking about were confirmed COVID cases; and they died; I have never seen a flu killing 2-3 persons within the same family in matter of days apart.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:24 pm

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^ I dunno, but those people I am talking about were confirmed COVID cases; and they died; I have never seen a flu killing 2-3 persons within the same family in matter of days apart.

Correct. They still caught COVID-19 despite lockdowns. They still died. And it's a vicious cycle, especially for a country like Lebanon that doesn't have all these stimulus bailouts. Poverty and economic destruction make people even more susceptible to death.

We're not saving lives, only making things worse with these abnormal societal procedures.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:32 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
I know there are plenty of people saying "It's no worse than flu" but they ignore the fact it's equivalent with flu despite 10 months of elaborate control measures. Had those measures not been in place, would we be seeing parity with modern-day flu mortality? No, of course not.


Flu deaths are down dramatically. Not because of quarantine. Rather, because anything and everything is counted as a COVID death. Numbers are inflated and many fatalities are counted as "death from COVID-19." And of course, there is the balance. How many people had to cancel medical procedures because of COVID, thus affecting their health? How many are depressed? We're gonna see a rise in suicides, overdoses, and domestic violence. The numbers will be worse than COVID fatalities would have been had we just let the virus run its course.

Dunno if you've noticed, but we have a vaccine for flu? And more people than usual have been encouraged to have it this year, because Government are worried hospitals won't be able to cope with the seasonal flu spike and Covid-19 at the same time.

Regarding "other things caused by lockdown being worse than Covid", prove it. Don't forget the C-19 death rate is being held artificially low by lockdown measures, so that ICU capacity isn't exceeded. Once you hit that point where there's more serious cases than hospital beds, expect the deaths-as-%-of-infections ratio to climb massively. The post-WW1 Spanish Flu epidemic shows you how that would pan out. Plenty of other examples heading back in time, too. This only looks relatively trivial because it's been relatively well controlled. Lettng it loose would NOT be a good idea.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:42 pm

The previous SARS showed a death rate around 4% during the outbreak, after its end the real number turned out to be 10%.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:50 pm

I'm not great at reading long threads, and know there is fake right wing news to throw people off the scent, people who want to know the truth.
While I cannot provide any evidence, I feel that Covid has been manufactured because the knock-on-effects will cause chaos and disruption and will enable the few in power to control us.
There won't be any evidence online for this theory, except for unsubstantiated claims from others who feel a similar way, they will not publish their agenda.
History has a habit of repeating itself.



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23 Jan 2021, 6:56 pm

Back in September 2019, France 24 aired news about a virology lab in Milan who was fined after a "second" warning about not repairing a lab hood that had a leak - "second" warning! The third warning would have resulted in a shut-down of the lab. I "think" it was the CLIMBIV. There was more concern about the escape of pathogens of the airborne variety. Fear about a regional epidemic and in the worse case scenario, a pandemic. That is what exactly happened.
I tried to FORGET that broadcast asap before I lost my mind. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The pandemic happened. It originated there in Italy not in China. Maybe someday, we will all know the truth. This causes me gut-wrenching sadness. I wanted to tell authorities about this broadcast but my husband said it was probably known if it was broadcasted on France 24. I ended up on my knees praying to God that nothing would happen but many people died all over the world. Many became sick. My own child was sick but recovered. Two acquaintances of mine have died. This weighs heavy on my heart. I wonder if authorities here would've just brushed me off. It's painful. Even now, people just wave me away and blame China. Please believe me when I tell you this. I can't find any archived news for France 24 but I'm sure they have it still.



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23 Jan 2021, 7:01 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ I dunno, but those people I am talking about were confirmed COVID cases; and they died; I have never seen a flu killing 2-3 persons within the same family in matter of days apart.


I lost two long-time acquaintances. One 44 years old and the other 54 years old. The first worked with cats in a shelter. The other was a fireman. Both had pulmonary disorders that were being treated effectively but that virus overtook them.