Is it true a lot of Americans are fleeing the country?

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28 Jan 2021, 9:52 pm

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It feels sort of shallow and lewd of me... but dang if AOC isn't an absolute fox. Brains, beauty, and democratic socialism :heart:

Sadly she's still a politician, so I don't trust her half as far as I can throw her :(


How is it that I am the only person who is labelled sexist?
While I have no problem with what you have said, I find it odd that you haven't been told you are being sexist.



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28 Jan 2021, 10:04 pm

Lulz. I doubt it will be nearly as many as people claim, but I have no doubt that some of those who are dramatic enough to claim they plan to start a civil war because an election didn't go their way would be dramatic enough to leave their country. As a second cousin of mine who lives in the US allegedly said: "Good luck finding another country that's equally intolerant and will respect your right to carry guns. I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year." :lol:

Remember when people used to grumble when an election didn't go their way, but otherwise carried on like reasonable adults? I sure do, but it seems like a lifetime ago now.



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28 Jan 2021, 10:12 pm

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Lulz. I doubt it will be nearly as many as people claim, but I have no doubt that some of those who are dramatic enough to claim they plan to start a civil war because an election didn't go their way would be dramatic enough to leave their country. As a second cousin of mine who lives in the US allegedly said: "Good luck finding another country that's equally intolerant and will respect your right to carry guns. I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year." :lol:

Remember when people used to grumble when an election didn't go their way, but otherwise carried on like reasonable adults? I sure do, but it seems like a lifetime ago now.


Well, you can't carry a gun, but Australia doesn't have the degree of social issues that America has.
I understand that Australia is one of the preferred countries.



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28 Jan 2021, 10:34 pm

How is that sexist?



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28 Jan 2021, 11:16 pm

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This is 100% BS. She is misinformed. I have a relative that works at CBSA. Canadians are Not denied entry to Canada, even during covid. Canadians are allowed to return to Canada, they just have to quarantine for 14 days. Even foreigners can be granted entry at land crossings under certain circumstances. Hell, Canadian citizens with covid symptoms are still allowed in. Canadians were never not allowed in - the biggest constraint to Canadians being stuck abroad and unable to return to Canada has been a lack of available flights, not Canada denying them entry.

She should read this & ask any questions to an agent for clarification:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... rictions_1

Also, the restrictions for non-essential travel are on land crossings. Damned near anyone of any nationality can travel to Canada from anywhere via airplane so long as they follow the rules - which now include getting a negative covid test in advance of travelling & then quarantining for 14 days.


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/couples-sep ... -1.5249754

I'll check with her again. I haven't talked to her in a few months, but she wasn't permitted when I last talked to her. Perhaps it's because of her job as a front-line worker with high risk of exposure.



I just read that article over twice - there is Zero mention of any Canadian citizen being denied entry to Canada. What relevance is that article? :? Canadians are, and always have been, allowed to enter Canada.


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28 Jan 2021, 11:22 pm

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Australia’s Sky News seems to parrot almost everything said on America’s Fox News, but in Australian accents. Seriously. When I hear Sky News clips they’re almost word for word the same garbage as Fox News, so, IMO they’re quite a right wing conservative news source - not a balanced one.


So, you aren't aware of how many left-wing advocates/politicians are participants of the Sky News channel?
Is this right?


Never heard any. Also didn't seek any out - the ones I've heard just play in the Facebook watch queue automatically. From what I've heard, it seems they're very Fox News like and my guess is they have left wing political guests just the same as Fox News does.


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28 Jan 2021, 11:26 pm

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This is 100% BS. She is misinformed. I have a relative that works at CBSA. Canadians are Not denied entry to Canada, even during covid. Canadians are allowed to return to Canada, they just have to quarantine for 14 days. Even foreigners can be granted entry at land crossings under certain circumstances. Hell, Canadian citizens with covid symptoms are still allowed in. Canadians were never not allowed in - the biggest constraint to Canadians being stuck abroad and unable to return to Canada has been a lack of available flights, not Canada denying them entry.

She should read this & ask any questions to an agent for clarification:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... rictions_1

Also, the restrictions for non-essential travel are on land crossings. Damned near anyone of any nationality can travel to Canada from anywhere via airplane so long as they follow the rules - which now include getting a negative covid test in advance of travelling & then quarantining for 14 days.


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/couples-sep ... -1.5249754

I'll check with her again. I haven't talked to her in a few months, but she wasn't permitted when I last talked to her. Perhaps it's because of her job as a front-line worker with high risk of exposure.



I just read that article over twice - there is Zero mention of any Canadian citizen being denied entry to Canada. What relevance is that article? :? Canadians are, and always have been, allowed to enter Canada.


I posted the article because I had also mentioned couples being separated across the border, and the border being closed in general.

It wasn't in relation to my friend's predicament. I should have clarified that.


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28 Jan 2021, 11:43 pm

The rules for travelers are laid out on the Canada.ca website.

But the people at Immigration Canada seem pretty apathetic.



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28 Jan 2021, 11:46 pm

last time i was able to visit Canada was in 1991.



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28 Jan 2021, 11:48 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
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IsabellaLinton wrote:
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This is 100% BS. She is misinformed. I have a relative that works at CBSA. Canadians are Not denied entry to Canada, even during covid. Canadians are allowed to return to Canada, they just have to quarantine for 14 days. Even foreigners can be granted entry at land crossings under certain circumstances. Hell, Canadian citizens with covid symptoms are still allowed in. Canadians were never not allowed in - the biggest constraint to Canadians being stuck abroad and unable to return to Canada has been a lack of available flights, not Canada denying them entry.

She should read this & ask any questions to an agent for clarification:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... rictions_1

Also, the restrictions for non-essential travel are on land crossings. Damned near anyone of any nationality can travel to Canada from anywhere via airplane so long as they follow the rules - which now include getting a negative covid test in advance of travelling & then quarantining for 14 days.


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/couples-sep ... -1.5249754

I'll check with her again. I haven't talked to her in a few months, but she wasn't permitted when I last talked to her. Perhaps it's because of her job as a front-line worker with high risk of exposure.



I just read that article over twice - there is Zero mention of any Canadian citizen being denied entry to Canada. What relevance is that article? :? Canadians are, and always have been, allowed to enter Canada.


I posted the article because I had also mentioned couples being separated across the border, and the border being closed in general.

It wasn't in relation to my friend's predicament. I should have clarified that.


Ok - yeah, that's an example of non-essential travel by a foreign citizen.

Your friend should read that canada.ca link & then ask an agent any questions. If she's Canadian she's allowed into Canada regardless of her high risk job. Even people with Covid symptoms are still allowed in - they just have to follow all the covid quarantine protocols 100%.


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28 Jan 2021, 11:59 pm

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The rules for travelers are laid out on the Canada.ca website.

But the people at Immigration Canada seem pretty apathetic.


They're just doing their jobs - not really a whole lot of emotion involved. They get directions and follow them like other worker bees.

One of the problems at Immigration Canada is that they have a backlog of applications to process for various things but they don't want to accept help from CBSA officers to clear the back log - even though they're now all part of the same organization. I guess they like having a stack of work to do. ?? IIRC, it's not like they're protecting overtime pay because IIRC they're not authorized to work overtime on these files due to an overtime freeze. So they could let the CBSA guys help clear the backlog and move things forward - especially since those guys have free time right now with land crossings not being as busy these days.. only essential workers and commercial goods moving. Maybe they're protecting future overtime? Don't want to accept help clearing the backlog now because then they might Have To accept it in the future vs. hire more people or have overtime gravy train shifts? Not really sure.. but there's something in their work culture or how their paid that's making them just leave a stack of backlogged paperwork sitting there very slowly being processed. I'm not sure exactly what their deal is - but yeah - now that I think about it I suppose you could say they're pretty apathetic about processing their stack of crap in a reasonable time frame. Someone's doing it on purpose because people from the other side of their agency have offered to send in backup and help speed things along and the assistance has been declined. (I have a relative that works for CBSA that's how I know that.)


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29 Jan 2021, 12:03 am

I messaged my friend for an update. Her husband is a pilot and he normally flies her to Canada in their own small plane, so maybe that's another complication?


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29 Jan 2021, 12:05 am

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Australia’s Sky News seems to parrot almost everything said on America’s Fox News, but in Australian accents. Seriously. When I hear Sky News clips they’re almost word for word the same garbage as Fox News, so, IMO they’re quite a right wing conservative news source - not a balanced one.


So, you aren't aware of how many left-wing advocates/politicians are participants of the Sky News channel?
Is this right?


Never heard any. Also didn't seek any out - the ones I've heard just play in the Facebook watch queue automatically. From what I've heard, it seems they're very Fox News like and my guess is they have left wing political guests just the same as Fox News does.


There are at least 5 leftie regulars on Sky news. 8)
The Australian ABC has zero, zip, nada regular conservatives on their programs on the other hand.
Sky News is conservative overall, but there are good left-wing opinions also.
I wouldn't compare Fox with Sky. 8)



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29 Jan 2021, 12:07 am

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I messaged my friend for an update. Her husband is a pilot and he normally flies her to Canada in their own small plane, so maybe that's another complication?


Is he Canadian? Is she still Canadian or did she take on American citizenship and drop the Canadian one vs. have Canadian or Dual citizenship? (not sure if ppl do that, more likely they become dual I think - this isn't China where you're forced to declare one or the other)

She may be admissible and he is not.

But if they travel by air then he may be allowed to come here, too, anyways.. air travel never stopped - only the land crossings are closed. But I have no idea about personal craft vs. commercial, if there are any covid restrictions on that. She could ask an agent those questions - they even had a pop up customer service chat box on their website so may be able to chat live with someone vs. have to phone and wait on hold.


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29 Jan 2021, 12:15 am

No, he's American.

Maybe she did renounce her citizenship. I can't remember. She definitely votes in American elections, but I don't know if she is dual or not.


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29 Jan 2021, 12:33 am

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 262093001/

Here's another sad story of couples and families unable to unite across the border.

It was written in July, so I hope the restrictions for these people with these circumstances have changed by now.


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