4 Catholic Churches burned down (so far!) in BC

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06 Jul 2021, 8:26 am

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It's hard for me to get my head around the fact that these crimes against humanity happened in a country not usually associated with racism and that sort of thing. it just shows that no country has the right to act holier than thou toward another. One would have hoped that even with church and state separation, the government should have been able to have some control over what was going on, and put a stop to it or closed them down. Will the Vatican deny this happened or try to keep it hidden under lace veils?

I think the Pope is planning a visit.I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.


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06 Jul 2021, 8:31 am

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I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"

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06 Jul 2021, 9:50 am

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It's hard for me to get my head around the fact that these crimes against humanity happened in a country not usually associated with racism and that sort of thing. it just shows that no country has the right to act holier than thou toward another. One would have hoped that even with church and state separation, the government should have been able to have some control over what was going on, and put a stop to it or closed them down. Will the Vatican deny this happened or try to keep it hidden under lace veils?


Why would the Canadian government put a stop to it? :? It was their mutual objective to destroy Indigenous people, control the land and it's resources/wealth.

Canada has continued to BS Canadians with it's shiny brand image, pretending it's so wonderful, while in reality their actions have continued to commit acts of very slow genocide - playing the long game, trying to wipe out the last of Indigenous peoples that hold hereditary rights to unceded territories. They do it by refusing to build water treatment facilities and so on, slowly poisoning people with unsanitary water. Sure, some bands are mismanaged internally, but there is a lot more action Canada could have taken over the last several decades to ensure Indigenous peoples have a decent chance at living a reasonable life in Canada - but they don't... because people protecting forests, the ocean, nature in general - they're a thorn in their side when they want to strip mine, clear cut, pump and transport oil & gas for maximum profit.

Canada is a marketing machine with a glitzy red and white flag and a special song like all other countries. Sure, there are some admirable things about Canada, but certainly not their treatment of Indigenous peoples. It's only NOW that they're playing propaganda radio ads to tell Canadians that they're starting to be nice to Indigenous peoples Because common citizens are learning of the atrocities Canada and The Church committed together.


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06 Jul 2021, 9:51 am

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Misslizard wrote:
I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"

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Yep.


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06 Jul 2021, 9:52 am

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While most of the schools were Catholic there was also Church of Canada, Presbyterian, and Anglican.All should pay reparations.
Go after their coffers, that will hurt them more than torching buildings.
Those structures should be turned into memorials for the victims like the death camps in Germany.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/10121009 ... group-says


I'm pretty sure that Indigenous peoples haven't traditionally turned the buildings/camps/villages of their enemies into memorials or museums.. afaik, the traditional thing to do is burn it to the ground. 8)

*but don't start forest fires or kill people. That's bad, mmkay?


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06 Jul 2021, 10:23 am

I don't know a great deal about it but had always heard that Canada treated the First Nations better than the US did. It seems I was misled by the respectable sounding terminology and holier-than-thou attitude they always seem to have had towards the US.

People are starting to learn a lot more about stuff they hoped to keep quiet. It's imperative that both the US and Canada listen to the tribal wisdom and respect the land. It's time people took a stand against profit for the sake of profit. I notice the GOP resistance to the bold moves made by the US Secretary for the Interior Deb Haaland to reverse the damage caused by the former administration.


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06 Jul 2021, 11:01 am

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I don't know a great deal about it but had always heard that Canada treated the First Nations better than the US did. It seems I was misled by the respectable sounding terminology and holier-than-thou attitude they always seem to have had towards the US.

People are starting to learn a lot more about stuff they hoped to keep quiet. It's imperative that both the US and Canada listen to the tribal wisdom and respect the land. It's time people took a stand against profit for the sake of profit. I notice the GOP resistance to the bold moves made by the US Secretary for the Interior Deb Haaland to reverse the damage caused by the former administration.

I probably read different adventure books in childhood because I always had pretty bad image of Canadian politics towards their First Nations.
Being targeted for destroying national identity was very relatable for 19th century Poles, so our writers explored the topic from this angle - especially that writing about nations from a different continent was a way to bypass censorship.


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06 Jul 2021, 11:25 am

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While most of the schools were Catholic there was also Church of Canada, Presbyterian, and Anglican.All should pay reparations.
Go after their coffers, that will hurt them more than torching buildings.
Those structures should be turned into memorials for the victims like the death camps in Germany.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/10121009 ... group-says


I'm pretty sure that Indigenous peoples haven't traditionally turned the buildings/camps/villages of their enemies into memorials or museums.. afaik, the traditional thing to do is burn it to the ground. 8)

*but don't start forest fires or kill people. That's bad, mmkay?

Yeah it is bad when first responders die fighting fires and considering what forests fires just did in Canada and the American west you are a total hypocrite.You think it’s good thing?Ask the families who lost everything.
This is what arson does.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... uman-cause

Again, go ask a fireman what they think of arson.
The Canadian government backed those schools the church ran.So their hands are also bloody.Should we burn all the government buildings in protest?All the whites (like you )should have to tour those areas just like the German people after the war.
And you don’t even know if it was an native that burned them.No one has stepped forward to claim responsibility.
And you never answered how your Catholic family would feel about their church getting torched.
For all you know your family plaid a part in it ,being Catholic.
And white people also burned native villages.It’s never right .


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06 Jul 2021, 11:26 am

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I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"

:roll:

Uh, I didn’t say it would make up for it but it’s a step forward in getting restitution for the families.Would you be happier if he didn’t show his face?He should have to meet the families face to face and address their grievances.


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06 Jul 2021, 12:03 pm

Looks like some of the Native people do want memorials.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6088159


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06 Jul 2021, 12:32 pm

In a link from that page, I just found that an indigenous person has just been appointed as Canada's 30th governor general. That's a step forward.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.6091376


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06 Jul 2021, 12:35 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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Misslizard wrote:
I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"
Uh, I didn’t say it would make up for it but it’s a step forward in getting restitution for the families.  Would you be happier if he didn’t show his face?  He should have to meet the families face to face and address their grievances.
Would each family then receive 30 pieces of silver?



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06 Jul 2021, 12:45 pm

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Misslizard wrote:
I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"
Uh, I didn’t say it would make up for it but it’s a step forward in getting restitution for the families.  Would you be happier if he didn’t show his face?  He should have to meet the families face to face and address their grievances.
Would each family then receive 30 pieces of silver?

What does Judas payment have anything to do with it?
The Canadian government backed those schools the church ran and they are paying out.Not as much as I think they should.
The church values their money and they have plenty.They should pay till it hurts.


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06 Jul 2021, 12:49 pm

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In a link from that page, I just found that an indigenous person has just been appointed as Canada's 30th governor general. That's a step forward.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.6091376

Yes and the sooner more Natives get into power the quicker steps can be taken to address the wrongs.It won’t bring back the dead ,but it will help the survivors with education and living expenses.All the survivor family’s should be given free scholarships for higher education.
As Mother Jones said, “ Pray for the dead, fight like hell for the living.”


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06 Jul 2021, 12:49 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"
Uh, I didn’t say it would make up for it but it’s a step forward in getting restitution for the families.  Would you be happier if he didn’t show his face?  He should have to meet the families face to face and address their grievances.
Would each family then receive 30 pieces of silver?
What does Judas payment have anything to do with it? [...]
Judas payment ... due compensation ... hush money ... call it whatever you want.



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06 Jul 2021, 12:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I think the Pope is planning a visit.  I hope that he does offer an apology and restitution to the families of the victims.
Yeah, I can hear it now, "Sorry we murdered your kids.  Non mea culpa.  Go in peace and have a nice day!"
Uh, I didn’t say it would make up for it but it’s a step forward in getting restitution for the families.  Would you be happier if he didn’t show his face?  He should have to meet the families face to face and address their grievances.
Would each family then receive 30 pieces of silver?
What does Judas payment have anything to do with it? [...]
Judas payment ... due compensation ... hush money ... call it whatever you want.

Whatever you call it ,the living could use it to make their life better.Conditions on most reservations are deplorable.The money would go along way to making that better for the people alive now.


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