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16 Aug 2021, 11:48 pm

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As they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Not in speculation.

1. If John Paul was being a responsible citizen then why did he pass a copy of a client's private information to Guliani without consent? His intention was quite obviously to sink Joe Biden; you are trying desperately to paint a picture he was some type of whistlblower hero :lol:


Being he was now the "owner" of the device (and data contained on it) - as per the contract, he was free to do with this as he wished... Perhaps he passed it on this way because he felt it was something the public deserved to know about, and decided on using that path, seeing as the FBI didn't give the impression of being interested in investigating further...

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2. Despite your attempt to claim the laptop and data is John-Paul's property based on a contract (which mysteriously you have detailed knowledge of?), he appeared to make no attempt to contact the owner but proceeded to download private information from the laptop.

You mean the one in the image on this post - viewtopic.php?f=21&t=391446&p=8636461#p8636461 (hint: look at the final paragraph...And who made the subsequent post in the thread, around 7 hours later)

And, it was reported in several sources that the owner had tried making contact a number of times (how many, and method, I cannot recall (or even if the method was mentioned), but I seem to recall mention of telephone calls which went unanswered).

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I know people who run small businesses and there is something called "personal good will" which they try to establish which is to maintain the company's good name and recognition value with each of their clients. I imagine his existing clients would have been horrified to know that he is capable of not contacting a client and instead downloaded personal data from their computer getting access to personal data including bank account details.


So: You can substantiate this assertion that he didn't attempt to make contact? I hadn't seen this reported, so would be interested in confirming this - link please.

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It's not rocket science that would have given his business a black mark. I wouldn't trust this man.


As a side note, the fact that you "wouldn't trust that man" was already apparent when you labelled him a "MAGA/Trump supporter", given the invective you direct to anyone you decide to place in that category...



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16 Aug 2021, 11:55 pm

Now that his business is closed he can't steal other people's data. Job done.

Please explain if he was law-abiding individual trying to help the American people why he ran scurrying away with his business closed? (no conspiracies please)



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17 Aug 2021, 12:23 am

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Now that his business is closed he can't steal other people's data. Job done.


It seems you still fail to understand the law, despite it being pointed out in simple terms, on multiple occasions, that once abandoned at the store, the laptop and contents were legally owned by the store owner, so he didn't "steal other people's data".

It also seems that the people in the area liked his business:
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Up until the time of the story, John Paul was a go-to guy for many Macintosh users including yours truly.

Over the past nine years, he replaced a few keyboards and batteries. On at least one occasion, I saw John Paul fix a simple problem from a drop-in customer at no charge.

The service was first-rate, and there was no attempt to upsell. His advice for a Mac with a failing battery – don’t worry about it unless you have to need to use it for eight hours without a charger.

For the foreseeable future, the next busted keyboard or dead battery will have to go elsewhere.

Source: https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/11/john-pauls-mac-shop-closes-for-the-foreseeable-future/

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Please explain if he was law-abiding individual trying to help the American people why he ran scurrying away with his business closed? (no conspiracies please)


It's not hard to do your own research - You may want to try it some time...
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Mac Isaac's lawyer, Brian Della Rocca, confirmed that the shop was gone - due to his client receiving death threats - but wouldn't tell the newspaper if the neighbor's account of him leaving Wilmington was true.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8983537/Hunter-Biden-laptop-store-owner-closed-business-left-town.html



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17 Aug 2021, 12:41 am

The "death threats" is what his lawyer claims. Very convenient.

More likely its his own customers wanting to get their hands on him.



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17 Aug 2021, 12:45 am

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Don't know. I personally think the whole Hunter Biden thing is a fraud.


Another concocted story to fling mud at Biden. Using a mentally ill adult to score political points. Really noble :roll:


Agreed.


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17 Aug 2021, 1:45 am

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I think there is considerable doubt that the laptop left at the repair shop was ever actually his. It makes no sense that someone, anyone, would "forget" a laptop at a repair shop. Regardless, its in the hands of the FBI and they've been mum, last I heard. Am I missing an official update?


My understanding

Let's evaluate this, focussed upon the predicate:
cyberdad wrote:
(I mean who does that to a client??) as you can't pass a client's property to third parties like Guliani as that's theft and a breach of privacy.


As you would be aware (you've made this claim before, and had it answered), the owner had every legal right to do what he did.

Simply put: Laptop taken (by someone) to shop.
Person who takes it there signs a contract stating if not collected\pid for within certain time, it becomes property of store (to cover outstanding costs, etc.).
Laptop not collected.
Shop takes ownership of laptop, legally, including all data stored upon it.
Store owner looks at data (unknown reason - maybe to transfer "personal" data like photographs, documents, etc. in case owner returns some time later, so that these can be returned).
Store owner finds "questionable" material.
Store owner notifies FBI (who subpoena'ed device), keeping a copy of the data as "insurance" in case FBI try to sweep issue under the carpet.
Store owner, not seeing anything happening from FBI side (many months later) passes copy along to various other sources to publicise what was found\stir FBI into action.

So, we're at a point where the owner's actions were legal, there was no "theft", nor "breach of privacy (which, as you were advised previously, would require an admission that the questionable data found on the devices (emails, etc.) were legitimate). It is also the same actions taken by other locations (such as Best Buy - who look through data even if computer is not abandoned) - a fact you may have been aware of, had you been paying attention to this thread...



No one with half a brain leaves a computer with sensitive information on it. Hunter may be troubled, but he isn’t stupid, and so much about this stretches credulity.

As someone who has left multiple computers for repair and data retrieval, I never signed anything that would have given them ownership. In contrast, I specifically recall contacts that protected the privacy of all my data. Maybe it varies state by state, but I have a hard time imaging anyone who has sensitive data on their machine ever being stupid enough to sign the kind of contact you suggest, or being foolish enough to forget their computer. Just nothing about what supposedly happened jives at all with my experience in the world of business and finance. We don’t put sensitive positions in writing in email, we don’t forget where we leave potentially sensitive data, and we don’t leave computers with people who won’t protect our data.

Hunter Biden is a lawyer. He most certainly has been trained to take all the precautions I’ve been trained to take, and probably more.

The FBI has the laptop. It is worth noting they acquired it before Biden was in office or had any power. Why are we bothering with debate on something the justice system already has its fingers on? Let the evidence do it’s work. If we never hear anything ever again, then it would seem nothing was found that rose to a criminal level, either by Hunter or the shop owner.

The last sentence is what I believe the most likely: campaign shenanigans, zero truth, and nothing that could be prosecuted.


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17 Aug 2021, 2:00 am

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The "death threats" is what his lawyer claims. Very convenient.

More likely its his own customers wanting to get their hands on him.


Well … I actually believe he received death threats. Anyone that gets national attention on anything the least bit controversial gets death threats. Social media encourages all the crazies. It’s why I get frustrated seeing how casually people post videos and photos of other people without their permission. Media attention is an invitation for stalking by crazy people.


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17 Aug 2021, 2:07 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
I think there is considerable doubt that the laptop left at the repair shop was ever actually his. It makes no sense that someone, anyone, would "forget" a laptop at a repair shop. Regardless, its in the hands of the FBI and they've been mum, last I heard. Am I missing an official update?


My understanding

Let's evaluate this, focussed upon the predicate:
cyberdad wrote:
(I mean who does that to a client??) as you can't pass a client's property to third parties like Guliani as that's theft and a breach of privacy.


As you would be aware (you've made this claim before, and had it answered), the owner had every legal right to do what he did.

Simply put: Laptop taken (by someone) to shop.
Person who takes it there signs a contract stating if not collected\pid for within certain time, it becomes property of store (to cover outstanding costs, etc.).
Laptop not collected.
Shop takes ownership of laptop, legally, including all data stored upon it.
Store owner looks at data (unknown reason - maybe to transfer "personal" data like photographs, documents, etc. in case owner returns some time later, so that these can be returned).
Store owner finds "questionable" material.
Store owner notifies FBI (who subpoena'ed device), keeping a copy of the data as "insurance" in case FBI try to sweep issue under the carpet.
Store owner, not seeing anything happening from FBI side (many months later) passes copy along to various other sources to publicise what was found\stir FBI into action.

So, we're at a point where the owner's actions were legal, there was no "theft", nor "breach of privacy (which, as you were advised previously, would require an admission that the questionable data found on the devices (emails, etc.) were legitimate). It is also the same actions taken by other locations (such as Best Buy - who look through data even if computer is not abandoned) - a fact you may have been aware of, had you been paying attention to this thread...



No one with half a brain leaves a computer with sensitive information on it. Hunter may be troubled, but he isn’t stupid, and so much about this stretches credulity.


Who knows how other's minds work: It could simply be that he left it there under the belief that it would be collected for him by a family member\someone from the "Biden Foundation" (It was taken in with 2 other water-damaged laptops, but only it was left for repair) - Perhaps he mistakenly left his, thinking it was one of the foundation's laptops, and the 2 he took were not worth repairing due to water damage?

DW_a_mom wrote:
As someone who has left multiple computers for repair and data retrieval, I never signed anything that would have given them ownership. In contrast, I specifically recall contacts that protected the privacy of all my data. Maybe it varies state by state, but I have a hard time imaging anyone who has sensitive data on their machine ever being stupid enough to sign the kind of contact you suggest, or being foolish enough to forget their computer. Just nothing about what supposedly happened jives at all with my experience in the world of business and finance. We don’t put sensitive positions in writing in email, we don’t forget where we leave potentially sensitive data, and we don’t leave computers with people who won’t protect our data.


Well, the signed contract states that if left over 90 days, they would revert to the store owning them (which would also include all data stored on them - They would be classed as "abandoned" and have the same legal protection (and expectation of privacy) as anything a person throws in a rubbish bin: none)...And again, who knows if he realised it was his and not the foundation's laptop which he left there?

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The FBI has the laptop. It is worth noting they acquired it before Biden was in office or had any power. Why are we bothering with debate on something the justice system already has its fingers on? Let the evidence do it’s work. If we never hear anything ever again, then it would seem nothing was found that rose to a criminal level, either by Hunter or the shop owner.

I hadn't been planning on re-hashing this, but it seems there are people who fail to grasp basic information explained to them.



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17 Aug 2021, 3:43 am

^^^
The computer repair guy couldn't have just given Hunter a reminder call that his laptop was ready? That's a reason why I find this story simply unbelievable.


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17 Aug 2021, 3:50 am

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The computer repair guy couldn't have just given Hunter a reminder call that his laptop was ready? That's a reason why I find this story simply unbelievable.

It was reported in multiple locations at the time that he tried calling Hunter on several occasions...



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17 Aug 2021, 4:43 am

Brictoria wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
I think there is considerable doubt that the laptop left at the repair shop was ever actually his. It makes no sense that someone, anyone, would "forget" a laptop at a repair shop. Regardless, its in the hands of the FBI and they've been mum, last I heard. Am I missing an official update?


My understanding

Let's evaluate this, focussed upon the predicate:
cyberdad wrote:
(I mean who does that to a client??) as you can't pass a client's property to third parties like Guliani as that's theft and a breach of privacy.


As you would be aware (you've made this claim before, and had it answered), the owner had every legal right to do what he did.

Simply put: Laptop taken (by someone) to shop.
Person who takes it there signs a contract stating if not collected\pid for within certain time, it becomes property of store (to cover outstanding costs, etc.).
Laptop not collected.
Shop takes ownership of laptop, legally, including all data stored upon it.
Store owner looks at data (unknown reason - maybe to transfer "personal" data like photographs, documents, etc. in case owner returns some time later, so that these can be returned).
Store owner finds "questionable" material.
Store owner notifies FBI (who subpoena'ed device), keeping a copy of the data as "insurance" in case FBI try to sweep issue under the carpet.
Store owner, not seeing anything happening from FBI side (many months later) passes copy along to various other sources to publicise what was found\stir FBI into action.

So, we're at a point where the owner's actions were legal, there was no "theft", nor "breach of privacy (which, as you were advised previously, would require an admission that the questionable data found on the devices (emails, etc.) were legitimate). It is also the same actions taken by other locations (such as Best Buy - who look through data even if computer is not abandoned) - a fact you may have been aware of, had you been paying attention to this thread...



No one with half a brain leaves a computer with sensitive information on it. Hunter may be troubled, but he isn’t stupid, and so much about this stretches credulity.


Who knows how other's minds work: It could simply be that he left it there under the belief that it would be collected for him by a family member\someone from the "Biden Foundation" (It was taken in with 2 other water-damaged laptops, but only it was left for repair) - Perhaps he mistakenly left his, thinking it was one of the foundation's laptops, and the 2 he took were not worth repairing due to water damage?

DW_a_mom wrote:
As someone who has left multiple computers for repair and data retrieval, I never signed anything that would have given them ownership. In contrast, I specifically recall contacts that protected the privacy of all my data. Maybe it varies state by state, but I have a hard time imaging anyone who has sensitive data on their machine ever being stupid enough to sign the kind of contact you suggest, or being foolish enough to forget their computer. Just nothing about what supposedly happened jives at all with my experience in the world of business and finance. We don’t put sensitive positions in writing in email, we don’t forget where we leave potentially sensitive data, and we don’t leave computers with people who won’t protect our data.


Well, the signed contract states that if left over 90 days, they would revert to the store owning them (which would also include all data stored on them - They would be classed as "abandoned" and have the same legal protection (and expectation of privacy) as anything a person throws in a rubbish bin: none)...And again, who knows if he realised it was his and not the foundation's laptop which he left there?

DW_a_mom wrote:
The FBI has the laptop. It is worth noting they acquired it before Biden was in office or had any power. Why are we bothering with debate on something the justice system already has its fingers on? Let the evidence do it’s work. If we never hear anything ever again, then it would seem nothing was found that rose to a criminal level, either by Hunter or the shop owner.

I hadn't been planning on re-hashing this, but it seems there are people who fail to grasp basic information explained to them.


I realize the last comment wasn’t about me, but be careful not to assume that a failure to accept information is a failure to understand.

You write some things as facts that I don’t accept as being facts. I might look into them further, I might not, depends on if curiosity prevails over my honest feeling that this whole laptop thing isn’t important enough to spend time on. Just remember that while your sources may convince you that some information is fact, that doesn’t make it proof.


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17 Aug 2021, 6:04 am

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I hadn't been planning on re-hashing this, but it seems there are people who fail to grasp basic information explained to them.


The fact is you already had zero proof the FBI or the Russians have intelligence on Biden Jr that could be used ot blackmail Joe Biden sr.
Secondly you the earlier thread is relevant because if the FBI already had damaging information on Biden Jr from his laptop then both they and the now disgraced Rudi Giuliani would have acted upon the information.



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17 Aug 2021, 2:53 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I hadn't been planning on re-hashing this, but it seems there are people who fail to grasp basic information explained to them.


The fact is you already had zero proof the FBI or the Russians have intelligence on Biden Jr that could be used ot blackmail Joe Biden sr.
Secondly you the earlier thread is relevant because if the FBI already had damaging information on Biden Jr from his laptop then both they and the now disgraced Rudi Giuliani would have acted upon the information.

Not sure about Russia or the FBI, but the video of Hunter on BitChute is pretty damaging and opens Joe Biden up to some bad PR.



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17 Aug 2021, 2:55 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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^^^
The computer repair guy couldn't have just given Hunter a reminder call that his laptop was ready? That's a reason why I find this story simply unbelievable.

It was reported in multiple locations at the time that he tried calling Hunter on several occasions...


Easy to claim such a thing after the fact.


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cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I hadn't been planning on re-hashing this, but it seems there are people who fail to grasp basic information explained to them.


The fact is you already had zero proof the FBI or the Russians have intelligence on Biden Jr that could be used ot blackmail Joe Biden sr.
Secondly you the earlier thread is relevant because if the FBI already had damaging information on Biden Jr from his laptop then both they and the now disgraced Rudi Giuliani would have acted upon the information.


Not sure about Russia or the FBI, but the video of Hunter on BitChute is pretty damaging and opens Joe Biden up to some bad PR.


All depends what's on the laptop. I asked this question before. The answer is nobody knows. Here's a piece of common sense, Biden Sr. is never going to share confidential information/state secrets with his drug addict son, Does anyone seriously think Hunter can enter the Whitehouse and access all areas? :lol:

Hypothetically all Russian mobsters are going to find is Hunter Biden's picture collection which I suspect is a personal embarrassment to his family but beyond that nothing else. It may have blackmail value on that level but how much further can Hunter Biden sink in the public eye?

Much ado about nothing except the sad life of a president's son being used as a pawn by right wing gutter trollls in the media.



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17 Aug 2021, 7:37 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
The computer repair guy couldn't have just given Hunter a reminder call that his laptop was ready? That's a reason why I find this story simply unbelievable.

It was reported in multiple locations at the time that he tried calling Hunter on several occasions...


Do you believe this?
Could it be a "he said, she said" situation? :scratch: