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13 Dec 2021, 6:37 pm

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I doubt the teenage kid Rittenhouse is acting completely on his own. I'm sure he's being told what he should do by much older adults. I'm sure the same went for Sandmann.


They are both teens, There is no way they are independently launching legal battles on their own. They have both financial backers as well as being offered free legal support.

It would be cold day in hell if the same "benefactors" offered this level of support to a black man.


Have you ever seen the ACLU, NAACP and BLM etc offer that level of support to a white man?


Precisely. 8)



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13 Dec 2021, 6:39 pm

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I'm with Kyle Rittenhouse, he shot to defend himself.

Also Mr Biden should apologize.


Agreed. 8)



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13 Dec 2021, 6:41 pm

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I would much rather Biden apologized for the damage he has done to this country during his political career. We can start with being one of the primary authors of the 1994 crime bill would led to the mass incarceration of Americans, mostly people of color, for minor offenses. Perhaps he'd like to apologize for supporting the deregulation of Wall Street during the Clinton administration.

I'd also like him to apologize for supporting the Iraq War, and all the other wars since then. I'd like him to apologize for being a serial plagiarizer. (Look it up, it's hilarious. )

I'd also like him to apologize for all the campaign promises he's now abandoned.

But I guess as long as he ain't Trump, we're f*****g golden! Great times ahead! Let's shoot fireworks. I'm almost orgasmic at the thought!


I will point out that the vast majority of Americans thought, at the time, those were the right moves. Should he apologize for representing the voters and believing the same things they did? Or just acknowledge that time has proven some positions to have either been wrong, or too riddled by unintended consequences to have been appropriate?

He’s kept what I’ve seen as the most important campaign promises, but any voter who expects a president to keep them all hasn’t got a clue how our government works. One man is not in control. He cannot act unilaterally. And, well, I accept that there will always be information driving policy that you and I just don’t know. That a candidate for president just doesn’t know. Some of the promises he should have been able to affect but has not seem to fall under that banner. Others have fallen into the trap that creating new policy is often easier than undoing existing policy. So I get it. I’m disappointed, but I get it.


Americans are so badly propagandized from childhood to grave, that they'll support some of the most heinous crimes. That still doesn't give the politicians a pass in my mind. They don't really care if the citizens support their actions or not. They serve the MIC and all the other corporate interests.

I understand your point, but the time for being apologists for these dirtbags has passed.


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13 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm

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Also Mr Biden should apologize.


But once Rittenhouse hung out with those Proud Boys and let photos be taken he made it completely fair game to say he associates with those types.

If there's 9 Nazis at a table and one other person is sitting with them there's a meeting of 10 Nazis in progress.


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13 Dec 2021, 7:02 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Also Mr Biden should apologize.


But once Rittenhouse hung out with those Proud Boys and let photos be taken he made it completely fair game to say he associates with those types.

If there's 9 Nazis at a table and one other person is sitting with them there's a meeting of 10 Nazis in progress.


Any port in a storm.
I'd embrace the devil himself if it means not rotting in gaol for the rest of my life. 8)


But would you hypocritically whine about people saying you had been seen snuggling Beelzebub after the embrace?


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13 Dec 2021, 9:41 pm

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But would you hypocritically whine about people saying you had been seen snuggling Beelzebub after the embrace?


Eh, if I were young, staring down a life sentence, and had been set up by my sleazy attorneys who'd just let me rot in jail for months for cash, maybe.


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13 Dec 2021, 9:43 pm

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BTW, I find your comments ironic, since you are perceived as someone who constantly ridicules others. 8)


Right? But what would I know, all I do is "trash talk", lol.


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13 Dec 2021, 10:15 pm

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But would you hypocritically whine about people saying you had been seen snuggling Beelzebub after the embrace?


Eh, if I were young, staring down a life sentence, and had been set up by my sleazy attorneys who'd just let me rot in jail for months for cash, maybe.


I don't know if I buy that he's ideologically in the same camp as different people who've supported him, but no matter the excuse (or how reasonable) he's really in bad position to claim associating him with those people is unfair.

Just like everyone who had their picture taken with Epstein or Maxwell it makes one adjacent to something that doesn't reflect well, no matter the excuse or how reasonable.

He's expressed contrition and as far as I've seen he seems to not be supportive of the worst of his supporters, both of which make me feel a degree of sympathy towards him but I don't think he gets to escape without any consequences whatsoever. If people believe his actions morally amount to murder they're entitled to voice that (just like abortion doctors and soldiers deal with) and if that photo-op is enough for some people to think white nationalist extremist movements are what he's aligned with that's a consequence of allowing it.

He doesn't seem like George Zimmerman where he's going to revel in that night and the infamy for the rest of his life. I don't bear him any ill-will but I don't think he's a victim in the whole ordeal and he's certainly not a victim of people's poor opinions of him as a result of his choices and his actions.


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13 Dec 2021, 10:41 pm

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Nice example of "guilt by association" - if there is one person sitting somewhere and 9 Nazis decide to sit beside them (maybe there are no other areas with enough spaces for them to sit), the person sitting there becomes a Nazi purely through proximity, you're claiming? Under that "logic", it seems you're cheering for the Nazi ideology to take over, as this sort of unwitting association would already be taking place, leading to people (under your definition) unknowingly becoming Nazis and spreading the association...


What if the person proudly wore the shirt provided and celebrated with the aforementioned Nazis? This might be alright for the republican party who contain members who seek to emulate Trump and his distasteful espoused beliefs but the democrat support base would never permit Biden to stoop to the same level.

In any case Biden has washed his hands of this embarrassing episode in American legal history (in case people forgot).

Joe Biden commented on the Rittenhouse outcome, saying that he “stands by” the Rittenhouse decision.“I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works.”

Rittenhouse and his far-right supporters can jump up and down as much as they want but I don't see anybody in the democrat party (certainly not Biden, Kamala or the 5) commenting further,

Perhaps Tulsi Gabbard might crawl out of the woodwork and say something but I don't even know if she's still a member of the democrats?



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13 Dec 2021, 10:54 pm

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He doesn't seem like George Zimmerman where he's going to revel in that night and the infamy for the rest of his life.


Kyle is already cashing in on killing two people.
https://www.newsweek.com/kyle-rittenhou ... al-1651656

Shocking that the NRA are excited by the verdict :roll:



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13 Dec 2021, 11:49 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
He doesn't seem like George Zimmerman where he's going to revel in that night and the infamy for the rest of his life.


Kyle is already cashing in on killing two people.
https://www.newsweek.com/kyle-rittenhou ... al-1651656

Shocking that the NRA are excited by the verdict :roll:


Zimmerman literally auctioned off the murder weapon (not to mention the other incidents he's been in since).

Rittenhouse hasn't done anything approaching that and hopefully won't be drawn towards the worst of his fandom, but in order for that to happen he needs to have some hope of having some sort of life without being obliged to those people.


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13 Dec 2021, 11:56 pm

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Zimmerman literally auctioned off the murder weapon (not to mention the other incidents he's been in since).


BTW where is Zimmerman? I thought he would have crawled out of the stone he was hiding under to make a few dollars getting interviewed on what he thought of the Rittenhouse trial (his case is the closest I can think of to Kyle's).



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13 Dec 2021, 11:56 pm

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Nice example of "guilt by association" - if there is one person sitting somewhere and 9 Nazis decide to sit beside them (maybe there are no other areas with enough spaces for them to sit), the person sitting there becomes a Nazi purely through proximity, you're claiming? Under that "logic", it seems you're cheering for the Nazi ideology to take over, as this sort of unwitting association would already be taking place, leading to people (under your definition) unknowingly becoming Nazis and spreading the association...


What if the person proudly wore the shirt provided and celebrated with the aforementioned Nazis? This might be alright for the republican party who contain members who seek to emulate Trump and his distasteful espoused beliefs but the democrat support base would never permit Biden to stoop to the same level.

In any case Biden has washed his hands of this embarrassing episode in American legal history (in case people forgot).

Joe Biden commented on the Rittenhouse outcome, saying that he “stands by” the Rittenhouse decision.“I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works.”

Rittenhouse and his far-right supporters can jump up and down as much as they want but I don't see anybody in the democrat party (certainly not Biden, Kamala or the 5) commenting further,

Perhaps Tulsi Gabbard might crawl out of the woodwork and say something but I don't even know if she's still a member of the democrats?


If you embarrass yourself, like Tim Flannery, you wouldn't want to remind people of the fact. :mrgreen:



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13 Dec 2021, 11:58 pm

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If you embarrass yourself, like Tim Flannery, you wouldn't want to remind people of the fact. :mrgreen:


Biden is keeping quiet but AOC has said the verdict is symptom of systemic racism etc...so she's still up for a fight



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If you embarrass yourself, like Tim Flannery, you wouldn't want to remind people of the fact. :mrgreen:


Biden is keeping quiet but AOC has said the verdict is symptom of systemic racism etc...so she's still up for a fight


What person over 50 takes AOC seriously? :scratch:



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cyberdad wrote:
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Zimmerman literally auctioned off the murder weapon (not to mention the other incidents he's been in since).


BTW where is Zimmerman? I thought he would have crawled out of the stone he was hiding under to make a few dollars getting interviewed on what he thought of the Rittenhouse trial (his case is the closest I can think of to Kyle's).


He's worse than Rittenhouse by almost ever measure, unless you've started forgetting the details of the earlier case.
Rittenhouse hasn't delighted in rubbing his actions in everyone's face since.

We might not like the legal circumstances that make that sort of scenario occur or that makes his involvement in it legally defensible, but the fact of the matter is that he's been acquitted and gets to have a life after the trial and participate in society.


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