Teacher jailed for violating court order over a pronoun row

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07 Sep 2022, 7:53 pm

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That has nothing to do with what this thread is about.

My point is that you actually don't know that. You have no idea what internal struggles led him to the poor choices he made.

There are likely dozens of classmates you hear nothing about at all. Most other former students don't know my family member's story; they aren't aware anything happened. Only people directly in the path know. That person just fell completely off their radar; they have to push through their brains to even remember they were in school together once.

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07 Sep 2022, 8:18 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

I'm against intentionally making yourself a martyr so that people on debate boards can misrepresent your situation in furtherance of their personal objectives.

So since I made a mistake in abbreviating the title to get it to fit, I'm misrepresent his situation in furtherance of my personal objectives, even though I posted the full title and a good chunk of the article along with a link to it.

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07 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm

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07 Sep 2022, 9:53 pm

Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

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07 Sep 2022, 9:57 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

I'm against intentionally making yourself a martyr so that people on debate boards can misrepresent your situation in furtherance of their personal objectives.

I didn't say that. But I confess I was being a little snarky and that snark unintentionally left it open for you to read it that way. Still, my real snark was against the teacher, not posters here. We're just taking the bait and talking about it.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:01 pm

The other thing I feel is going unsaid here is that many of the people frantically trying to dismiss the idea that someone was jailed for refusing to use pronouns want people to go to jail for it, but know better than to voice that opinion too loudly outside of their bubbles.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:04 pm

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Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

You know different posters notice and comment on different things, which may or may not represent a consistent pattern within the forum as a whole.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:08 pm

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I don't. Secretly or otherwise want to see anyone go to jail. Shoot, I don't want to see people attacked for it, but also don't understand why the ask is such a big deal. And he didn't go to jail for refusing to use the pronouns. You know better than to suggest that. He violated what sounds like the equivalent of a restraining order. That is never a small thing.

I think he may have been happy to go to jail, though. Got him press.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:12 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

From now on I'm going to come up with titles like "Teacher jailed, find out why". Then folks will have to actually go by the content of the post

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07 Sep 2022, 10:13 pm

A part of the article didn't make it into the first post:

The school board met to discuss Burke's response, commissioned a report and arranged a disciplinary meeting. On August 22, the board decided to place Burke on temporary paid administrative leave during the disciplinary process, stressing that the decision was not a disciplinary sanction, according to RTE.

This paragraph shows that there was a fair process going on, in accordance with HR procedures. It hadn't even reached a conclusion yet. And the teacher was still being paid.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:13 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

You know different posters notice and comment on different things, which may or may not represent a consistent pattern within the forum as a whole.

They're just coincidentally extra skeptical when the topic crosses their ideology? Like how some people here have radically different opinions on "hacking" depending on if we're talking a bad orange man's tax returns vs a certain laptop?

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07 Sep 2022, 10:15 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Wow, everyone suddenly cares about precise accuracy in thread titles, a standard that I'm quite certain to find evenly applied if I browse a few threads here.

From now on I'm going to come up with titles like "Teacher jailed, find out why". Then folks will have to actually go by the content of the post

"Teacher jailed following dispute over gender neutral pronouns"

Leaves it obvious you need to read the story to know what actually happened.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:18 pm

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DW_a_mom wrote:

You know different posters notice and comment on different things, which may or may not represent a consistent pattern within the forum as a whole.

I call them as I see them when I see them, but I don't know most poster's habits. Styles can change with daily moods. But mostly I don't have spidey senses for that stuff. I think we've talked about that before. Not noticing gives me one less thing to potentially get annoyed about

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07 Sep 2022, 10:18 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

You're supposed to read the article for content. Not the title. Not the summary. But the actual article to get the full content. Maybe I'll apply those instructions to whatever I post in the future, since it seems necessary.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:27 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

But mostly I don't have spidey senses for that stuff. I think we've talked about that before. Not noticing gives me one less thing to potentially get annoyed about

I can't not see it, it's part of what makes me so cynical these days.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:29 pm

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The way it showed on my screen, I didn't realize there was more ... I had to close a CBS News bottom banner (which looks to me like part of the page) to even see the "read more" and then I had to scroll past a bunch of stuff.

So here's the rest, as far as I can tell:

Burke, however, continued to show up to school every day for his scheduled lessons.

The school then got a court injunction barring Burke from the school building, which he violated, saying he would not comply with it because it went against his conscience.

Burke was brought in front of a judge, who stressed that the issue facing the court was whether he had violated the injunction. Burke was found to be in contempt of court for violating the court's order that he stay away from the school.

Burke has been given the opportunity to "purge his contempt," which could involve him committing to not violate the court order again. The case is due back in court on Wednesday, RTE reported

The guy was clearly pushing it, IMHO. I don't see how or why complying with established school disciplinary procedures (like paid leave pending dispute resolution) and then a court order would violate his conscious. Do you?

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