There's no Such Thing as a Safe Restraint.

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08 Apr 2008, 4:27 pm

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Well, I agree that people should be restrained if they are actually violent.


Glad we can agree on that.


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Have you ever been restrained when you didn't need it?


No.

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Have the restraints ever cut off your ability to breathe?


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These are honest questions.


And I'm giving honest answers.


Sounds like your restrainsts weren't as harmful as the ones used here.


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08 Apr 2008, 4:35 pm

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Hiya LeKiwi!! Good to see you back, did you sleep well? :wink:

Oooh I don't think bad of teachers at all! I actually adore them especially the ones we have now at their secondary school. Angels in human form! Actually we have just nominated the school for the National Teaching Awards 2008 here in the UK. They have a superb SENCO and a marvellous head. So nooooooo I love teachers. I feel terribly sorry for them though!

Seems that there is no support or advice, not good expert advice. Everyone here flies by the seat of their pants. Weschler results get ignored because the professionals do not understand the scoring! Children get shunted from one place to another and then the parents get labelled as abusers or trouble makers! Grrrrrrrr, I know the system well, particularly in the UK.

Teachers are being expected to police schools, nurse, diagnose and support! That is IMPOSSIBLE. It is like asking the local train station staff to apprehend a burly man who is smoking!! Lets leave that to the experts shall we? But where are they???

I present to schools now, I teach them about what to look for, I work voluntarily and children and their parents are knocking on my door constantly because their is NOOOO support, provision or advice.

Meltdowns can be tracked back and triggers can be found. In every case I have seen so far of children getting so frightened they look aggressive and in every case we have NEVER used restraint. Often touch in a frightened overwhelmed, sensory disabled child is the worst thing you can do. It will excacerbate the situation hugely.

I am a great advocate for a Kool room in every school. A sensory room with pillows, duvets, lights, fibre optics etc..............................Kool because it is WIKED! And Kool because it gives a time of cooldown in quiet private surroundings that are SAFE.

Most children who are in a meltdown will instinctively want to RUN somewhere to be alone. By trying to pin them down and keep them somewhere they dont want to be? Excacerbation of an already redflag situation.

I stand by everything I say, restraint is NOT acceptable UNLESS someones life depends on it. For example pulling a child away from a car etc. But as I have said before meltdowns NEVER happen for no reason. Once the reason or trigger can be found BINGO!! !

My son was melting down today at school. But because they observe him they knew he was getting too FIZZY, we call it that! So they removed him from the classroom quietly and calmed him down before returning to the classroom! Job done! Soooo it can be done..........HONESTLY!!

oOOH comfort break time!! ! Back in a bit!! :wink:


Hey, there. it sounds like you have a good school system.


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08 Apr 2008, 5:16 pm

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Sounds like your restrainsts weren't as harmful as the ones used here.


That is debatable. What is a restraint, anyway? Is it limited to being a straightjacket, a set of straps, handcuffs? No, my restraints have been much more esoteric. Non-physical restraints, those set upon you by life circumstance, tend not to be finite and self-limiting.



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08 Apr 2008, 5:27 pm

morning_after, you are so right. I have a wonderful school system! Today I got a call from the SENCO to say my youngest had been a bit of a handful. He is a cheeky monkey AddER with epilepsy, the one who was restrained by the headteacher of primary! Anyway apparently bless him he had been collecting detentions right left and centre! Getting all a bit out of hand so the SENCO took control and quietly removed him from class!

At first he was very agitated, defensive, kicky feet, crossed arms head down and grunts! But with some calm low toned talking from the SENCO he gradually uncurled and relaxed. It was described as a flower blooming! Aaaaah, so a few words later and a bit of reassurance he was returned to the class. The detentions still stay BUT he does not know they are detentions as they will be informal lunches in the Learning Support Unit!

I am sooooo lucky it is not funny BUT I have worked hard at it. I am always on standby for any advice as to how to handle a situation and I communicate regularly by email to the SENCO. She is our chief lifeguard and keeps my kids safe in the big swimming pool of school! Trouble is with the swimming pool is that there are sharks and jellyfish! Oooh we just have to show these kids who NOT to swim with!

The secret is I think forming a PROFESSIONAL FRIENDSHIP with the SENCO or someone at the school with whom you trust. If you trust a teacher then be sure your child will too.

oOOOH dear do I sound as though I am giving a lecture, I do hope not. There is loads I could ramble on about but lucky for all of you it is bed time here in the UK. A Brrrrrr UK at the moment! Roll on SUMMER! If we ever get one in this God forsaken country! Don't any of you think the UK is the land of milk and honey because it certainly is not! We are in as much of a mess as the rest of the world............................. 8O

But hey we plod on and try to do our best with what we have. As long as we can keep these children safe then we are doing well. Goodnight everyone and stay safe wherever you are.x :wink:



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08 Apr 2008, 11:03 pm

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morning_after, you are so right. I have a wonderful school system! Today I got a call from the SENCO to say my youngest had been a bit of a handful. He is a cheeky monkey AddER with epilepsy, the one who was restrained by the headteacher of primary! Anyway apparently bless him he had been collecting detentions right left and centre! Getting all a bit out of hand so the SENCO took control and quietly removed him from class!

At first he was very agitated, defensive, kicky feet, crossed arms head down and grunts! But with some calm low toned talking from the SENCO he gradually uncurled and relaxed. It was described as a flower blooming! Aaaaah, so a few words later and a bit of reassurance he was returned to the class. The detentions still stay BUT he does not know they are detentions as they will be informal lunches in the Learning Support Unit!

I am sooooo lucky it is not funny BUT I have worked hard at it. I am always on standby for any advice as to how to handle a situation and I communicate regularly by email to the SENCO. She is our chief lifeguard and keeps my kids safe in the big swimming pool of school! Trouble is with the swimming pool is that there are sharks and jellyfish! Oooh we just have to show these kids who NOT to swim with!

The secret is I think forming a PROFESSIONAL FRIENDSHIP with the SENCO or someone at the school with whom you trust. If you trust a teacher then be sure your child will too.

oOOOH dear do I sound as though I am giving a lecture, I do hope not. There is loads I could ramble on about but lucky for all of you it is bed time here in the UK. A Brrrrrr UK at the moment! Roll on SUMMER! If we ever get one in this God forsaken country! Don't any of you think the UK is the land of milk and honey because it certainly is not! We are in as much of a mess as the rest of the world............................. 8O

But hey we plod on and try to do our best with what we have. As long as we can keep these children safe then we are doing well. Goodnight everyone and stay safe wherever you are.x :wink:


Thank you.

And I didn't think you were lecturing.

I could go on and on about the school system I had as a child. I'll just say they were extremely resistent to accomodating me and my parents couldn't let down their guard or one of the teachers was liable to come down on me sometimes.

My old school-system competes with New Mexico for the worst school system in America, or at least it did.


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09 Apr 2008, 2:43 am

:wink: Thank you! Glad I was not going on and on!!

I am sooo sorry you had that dreadful experience too. How tactful you say they failed to accomodate you....................abandoned and abused you more like? Oohh dear, it stays for ever doesn't it. I can still remember Miss Schaeffer my German Teacher she was HORRID to me and yet I had to be NICE to her when she was admitted to my hospital with a broken neck of femur! That taught her a lesson. Her legacy to ME was abuse. I will never forget it.

Sad how something like that can be carried all through a lifetime. For any teachers who shout at their kids it is a salutory lesson.....................kid grow up and REMEMBER!

Lets make school safe for everyone, it can be done with a little passion and effort! :wink:



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09 Apr 2008, 11:30 pm

To be honest, I still haven't really learned how to live independently.


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12 Apr 2008, 4:22 am

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To be honest, I still haven't really learned how to live independently.



:D :D :D :D To be honest with you, have any of us really learnt to live totally independantly?? I know if I am really honest with myself it is only the last 3yrs that I have become totally independant and able to ride the sea of life. But hey I am getting on in years so it don't come quick!! ! :wink: :wink: But there is hope for all of us! GOOD LUCK! :wink:



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12 Apr 2008, 10:09 am

Straining with restraints topic

Morning_after, your topic title says it all. Any restraint is a restriction on physical freedom and must be monitored constantly. If the child had been in a very violent meltdown paramedics should have been contacted in order to have the child sent to a medical facility for observation. The parents should have been contacted immediately.

Note: There was a grammatical error on my last post when I reread it. The words anti-psychotic should have preceded the word 'medication', which was inadvertently omitted. I apologize for any confusion this omission may have caused.

Excellent and topical topic, what with that it is Autism Awareness month and a staffer at JRC has been charged.


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12 Apr 2008, 11:26 am

Who will deny the necessity of restraints? Not just in schools, but in every situation?



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12 Apr 2008, 1:05 pm

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Who will deny the necessity of restraints? Not just in schools, but in every situation?


Mmmm having an autie moment here. Not sure quite what you mean but I think ALL parents should DENY anyone from restraining their child UNLESS it is in a life and death situation....................near a road, machinery, fire etc. But for any other reason talk down measures should be used. But there is NO excuse the child should not reach meltdown in the first place. The lack of observation of meltdowns is what is causing all this furore within the classroom :cry:
With adults however it is a different issue. Children have only US to look after their interests. I am totally opposed to restraint as I DO NOT ever see a need to use it. So it is the child issue I am looking at specifically. To restrain a man from stabbing you/me is a completely different matter in my humble opinion.



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12 Apr 2008, 5:38 pm

If, in any situation, you have to restrain a child, especially in a special ed setting, you have failed as a teacher. There are other alternatives. Restraints are always dangerous to the child, and to the staff who do it. There is no training that can overcome emotion in this situation. If you work in a mental institution, the first thing you are told is "if you get hurt during a restraint, remember you are dealing with a sick person. Never get mad."

I agree with the poster who said charges are probably in order. I don't care what the school made the parents sign.

When you have to restrain, you have failed. And it's usually a fairly complicated chain of events that leads to the restraint.

They killed someone, they should be prosecuted.

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12 Apr 2008, 5:48 pm

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If, in any situation, you have to restrain a child, especially in a special ed setting, you have failed as a teacher. There are other alternatives. Restraints are always dangerous to the child, and to the staff who do it. There is no training that can overcome emotion in this situation. If you work in a mental institution, the first thing you are told is "if you get hurt during a restraint, remember you are dealing with a sick person. Never get mad."

I agree with the poster who said charges are probably in order. I don't care what the school made the parents sign.

When you have to restrain, you have failed. And it's usually a fairly complicated chain of events that leads to the restraint.

They killed someone, they should be prosecuted.

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ROUND OF APPLAUSE , TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERY WORD. BRILLIANT POST! :wink:



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12 Apr 2008, 9:09 pm

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Straining with restraints topic

Morning_after, your topic title says it all. Any restraint is a restriction on physical freedom and must be monitored constantly. If the child had been in a very violent meltdown paramedics should have been contacted in order to have the child sent to a medical facility for observation. The parents should have been contacted immediately.

Note: There was a grammatical error on my last post when I reread it. The words anti-psychotic should have preceded the word 'medication', which was inadvertently omitted. I apologize for any confusion this omission may have caused.

Excellent and topical topic, what with that it is Autism Awareness month and a staffer at JRC has been charged.


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Who will deny the necessity of restraints? Not just in schools, but in every situation?


The question is, when do they go too far?


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Mmmm having an autie moment here. Not sure quite what you mean but I think ALL parents should DENY anyone from restraining their child UNLESS it is in a life and death situation....................near a road, machinery, fire etc. But for any other reason talk down measures should be used. But there is NO excuse the child should not reach meltdown in the first place. The lack of observation of meltdowns is what is causing all this furore within the classroom :cry:


Autie children don't announce meltdowns when they are imminent. They can't. It's not like a meltdown is a premeditated event. Diabetics and their seizures are the same way. Since no one knows when the child is meltdown-imminent, how are the adults supposed to anticipate? Even if they have learned the triggers & warning signs? Teachers cannot be expected to spend the entire school-period mentally / physically poised for the autistic child's violent outbreak.

I don't know why it would be acceptable for an autistic child to disrupt the classroom. Sure, it isn't his fault he's melting down. But neither is it the fault of his classmates. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ... or the one.