California octuplets case dismays fertility experts

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I read that 3 of her previous 6 children are disabled. The only specific disability that I actually read about was her 3 year old son's autism

(and I have to say, I certainly wouldn't have more kids if I had really young and disabled kids already)

but, considering that all of her children have the same father, I have to wonder if the other 2 mystery afflictions are also some form of autism.

I'd say the right reasons, are because you can love them, feed the, take care of them, and support them. The wrong reasons are to fill an emotional need, as this woman was clearly doing.

One child was identified today as having ADHD and the other had very mild autistic features. Yes, she is an aspie and children are her special interest, leading to a (miscarried) teenaged pregnancy and a degree in child development. From all accounts, she is a good mother, but has now gone into hiding due to the death threats that have been lobbed at her and her children. What a disgusting world--and plenty of the people here have been pretty judgmental as well. She is unconventional and independent and has a couple of screws loose, and so half the country goes on a witch-hunt against a woman with eight premature babies to worry about. I wish people would just leave her alone. Angelina Jolie seems to have a similar obsession, but no-one questions her choices because she is rich and white and attached to a male. Also, the majority of parents with small children in this country are on food stamps and/or some type of medicaid or S-CHIP. What does this say about our society that it is structured so that having a child brings the curse of poverty? I'd rather my taxes went to straightening out these inequities before they went to building more bombs. I still remember they hatred with which people looked at my mother in the grocery store when she pulled out her food stamps, as if a civilized country would deny a young mother and her children food.

People are less likely to criticize Angelina Jolie for quite a few reasons:

1. She adopted rather than risking her life and the lives of her unborn children having 8!! !! ! babies at once.

2. She has a house big enough to shelter all her children.

3. She is financially stable enough to handle all their expenses.

4. The child:adult ratio is at a more safe level. 3 adults (if you count a nanny or helper at all times) to 6? kids, compared with the octuplet mom's 1 adult to 14 kids, all under age 6.

5. Her reasons are altruistic, saving children from a life of poverty, starvation and despair in orphanages. The octuplet's mom's reason are purely selfish, she's obsessed with children, wants fame and fortune as a result of her fortune, and takes her obsession to the point of insanity and danger for her children.

I think you are mistaken that anyone has sent death threats against the babies. Her children are the innocent bystanders in this mess. I really hope CPS can get them into better homes before their lives are ruined by this madwoman.

Hear, hear!

No, she's not. From the TV interviews there were no obvious signs she was anywhere on the autism spectrum. She had no obvious language difficulties, no repetitive speech patterns, no obvious social discomfort, no physical repitition, no other diagnositic criteria. Why would you even match up "aspie" with this batshit insane woman?

I still can't believe the doctors allowed this woman to have as many babies as she damn well pleased. I mean, when someone is a candidate for gender reassignment they are psycho-analyzed six ways from Sunday. And GR doctors are well within their rights to refuse surgery if thet deem the candidate to be in any way unfit.

I saw them on Larry King one night, the fertiility doctors. They claimed to be "non-judgemental" and to uphold that as a guiding principle. What kind of unethical quackery is this?

What does that have to do with anything?

Apperently she is looking for donations online.

Having all of these children was her choice, but she has to face that herself!
She is a single welfare mom, who wanted all of these children and expects people to give her free hand-outs?

She doesn't deserve a penny, she made her choice and now she has to live with it, or give the children to people who can actualy afford to have them.

the website is http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/
They where actually dumb enough to have a comments section, I can only imagine the negative comments they get.

I'm a softie, what can I say? I left a very nice and supportive comment on that site. What's done is done, and Nadya is a human being like the rest of us. Piling on the hate and insults won't improve the situation now.

I encourage you all to have some compassion.

How about some compassion for the taxpayers who have to support her habit of having more children than she can raise?

ruveyn

Hmmm. I have Asperger's. It runs like a wildfire down both sides of my family tree. Yet I have a Ph.D. in English, and would also be able to pull off an interview if I had worked myself up and swallowed half a Xanax. I think I could also keep from wringing my hands and fidgeting for a half-hour if there was a pressing need. So I don't buy your reasoning. She has three children on the spectrum and an obvious case of OCD. That's enough for me. I though this forum would be an interesting place to follow the case BECAUSE of the connection to the spectrum. Instead I found the same kind of judgmental nonsense that I've seen on Perez Hilton. And batshit insane? People have been lobbing insults like that at people on the spectrum from time immemorial--how do you like your glass house?

What's done is done. You're not really the compassionate type, anyway. Just stick to the facts & figures.

The death threats are real--check the Reuters newswire from yesterday (I can't post a link yet)--and they come from people who think it is their business to judge others. People like you. Angelina Jolie has three biological children and plans to have more. However, the gist of your argument is that children are a commodity and should be reserved for the wealthy. What Nadya Suleman did was dangerous, but based on her medical history, this is the sixth time she has been implanted with six embryos and the other five times it resulted in singletons or twins. There is no hint that she has ever been arrested for going to the bar while her children slept next to a space heater, beating them, burning them with crack-pipes, or any other kind of neglect or abuse. Rather, she is a good mother who loves her children...only she wants many more of them than most people would. Last I checked, there wasn't an epidemic of higher-order multiples in the US. As for your tax dollars, the epidemic of American consumerism and selfishness has done for more damage to the moral fiber of this country, the environment, and or international relations than anything else. I don't mind doing my part to help others who are less fortunate. So I'll help Nadya Suleman with my tax dollars and you can bomb Iraqi babies with yours to make up the difference. Deal?

With all this incessant news about "Octomom" I'm actually beginning to miss those stories about Paris Hilton, Michael Jackson, and O.J. Simpson!

True it's already done, but we now know that she had these kids with the intention of depending on public donations? If you can't care for a child yourself, don't have them! Love doesn't feed, clothe, and shelter people.

If people like her pull stunts like this for their own selfish needs and then create a sob story to get attention and money, then more and more people will begin to depend on charity rather then doing real work.

Charity is for people 'really' need it, not for those who do what they want and expect a reward.