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17 Jan 2020, 8:30 pm

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Using memes to insult ideas of other members you disagree with is flaming. Flaming is against the rules here at Wrong Planet. You may not have realised that, however from now on please desist in this repetitive behaviour.

Using memes to convey ideas is not flaming.

Flaming is the act of personally insulting someone (ad hominem).
(example: calling someone who disagrees with you a 'denialist' or a nutjob)


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17 Jan 2020, 8:41 pm

Memes, like words, can used as tools for flaming, as we seen on WP on many occasions. Too many in this thread.



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17 Jan 2020, 9:11 pm

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Memes, like words, can used as tools for flaming, as we seen on WP on many occasions.

They can be- but are they?

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Too many in this thread.

How many is 'too many'?


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17 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm

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Are there any conservative moderators here?
If there are,
They don't contribute much to the political discussions. 8O


B19 is being impartial and objective...please don't blame the moderators when they are trying to do their job

Not just attacking the players but attacking the referees as well :roll:



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18 Jan 2020, 8:27 pm

cyberdad wrote:
B19 is being impartial and objective.

Umm..yeah.
As usual, the evidence appears to contradict your claim:

B19 wrote:
The issue is so serious, so imperative, that at this moment in history, its time for the paid denialists and trolls to shut the F up on the spiel and at least consider their own future safety, if not that of others...
The denialists have played a deadly game. This is the result and a taste of what is to come unless there is immediate action on a concerted scale.


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Are climate denialists permanently wired up to the energy bunny and troll sites? Their noise is out of all proportion to their number, but they keep sniping at scientists with the same arguments gleaned from denialist groups. Sigh, I wish I had saved all those years of academic study and effort but then the web wasn't up and running so I didn't have the option of getting a much better education on the university of the internet as the trolling denialists do.


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It will be a cold day in Hell, Kraftie, before I encourage denialists...climate change is an emergency, and we can all do something. Donate, change our ways, stop encouraging the denialists, and educate ourselves some more, etc etc. Everyone can do something constructive instead of wasting energy indulging the denialists.


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Have just come back from a drive holiday in the State of VIctoria, roads are blocked and the state is choked with smoke.

Would kindly ask the climate skeptics on this thread to please "slink away" if they have any empathy as local people have died, hundreds have lost their homes and thousands relocated.

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Seconded. Treating catastrophes on this scale as a way to try to niggle others who do care is saddening.


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It's a tragedy of gigantic proportions, whatever the deniers think or say.


Of course, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that blatantly obvious and persistant trolling by someone with a certain political bias is ignored while the declared censorship of memes just happens to come at a time when they are being used as an aid in dismantling a cherished tenet of said political bias.

Nope. No favoritism or censorship possible here. Move along now folks.

An inquiring mind wants to know:
Is WP a really a forum for autistics to share/discuss/debate ideas...or does that only apply to those ideas conforming to a specific political ideology?

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18 Jan 2020, 8:59 pm

SoloSailor wrote:
An inquiring mind wants to know:
Is WP a really a forum for autistics to share/discuss/debate ideas...or does that only apply to those ideas conforming to a specific political ideology?


I'm sure nobody has a problem with you debating the topic rather than creating 42 pages of childish memes to denigrate other posters AND/OR claiming the moderators are biased because they told you to stop



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18 Jan 2020, 9:28 pm

SoloSailor wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
B19 is being impartial and objective.

Umm..yeah.
As usual, the evidence appears to contradict your claim:

B19 wrote:
The issue is so serious, so imperative, that at this moment in history, its time for the paid denialists and trolls to shut the F up on the spiel and at least consider their own future safety, if not that of others...
The denialists have played a deadly game. This is the result and a taste of what is to come unless there is immediate action on a concerted scale.


B19 wrote:
Are climate denialists permanently wired up to the energy bunny and troll sites? Their noise is out of all proportion to their number, but they keep sniping at scientists with the same arguments gleaned from denialist groups. Sigh, I wish I had saved all those years of academic study and effort but then the web wasn't up and running so I didn't have the option of getting a much better education on the university of the internet as the trolling denialists do.


B19 wrote:
It will be a cold day in Hell, Kraftie, before I encourage denialists...climate change is an emergency, and we can all do something. Donate, change our ways, stop encouraging the denialists, and educate ourselves some more, etc etc. Everyone can do something constructive instead of wasting energy indulging the denialists.


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Have just come back from a drive holiday in the State of VIctoria, roads are blocked and the state is choked with smoke.

Would kindly ask the climate skeptics on this thread to please "slink away" if they have any empathy as local people have died, hundreds have lost their homes and thousands relocated.

B19 wrote:
Seconded. Treating catastrophes on this scale as a way to try to niggle others who do care is saddening.


B19 wrote:
It's a tragedy of gigantic proportions, whatever the deniers think or say.


Of course, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that blatantly obvious and persistant trolling by someone with a certain political bias is ignored while the declared censorship of memes just happens to come at a time when they are being used as an aid in dismantling a cherished tenet of said political bias.

Nope. No favoritism or censorship possible here. Move along now folks.

An inquiring mind wants to know:
Is WP a really a forum for autistics to share/discuss/debate ideas...or does that only apply to those ideas conforming to a specific political ideology?



Mate,
You are good.

When cybertroll attacked you and me by saying we don't care about the bushfire tragedy,
And B19 chirped in and supported him,
I was ropeable.

Bias?
What bias? <vitriolic sarcasm>

P.S.
And the irony/hypocrisy is, he was making political capital out of the tragedy.
Emotional blackmail to muzzle those with valid differing views?
Yes indeed, something to respect.

And the use of the word "Denier" does exactly the same thing.
It exploits the suffering of the 13 million, who died at the time of the Holocaust, for political gain.
Disgraceful.



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18 Jan 2020, 9:46 pm

SoloSailor wrote:
An inquiring mind wants to know:
Is WP a really a forum for autistics to share/discuss/debate ideas...or does that only apply to those ideas conforming to a specific political ideology?


When it comes to 3 or 4 who try to dominate WP to use as their political platform, yes. They are easy to spot as they refer to themselves as "we" all the time. They also like to claim they have the moderators in their back pocket.



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18 Jan 2020, 9:54 pm

EzraS wrote:
SoloSailor wrote:
An inquiring mind wants to know:
Is WP a really a forum for autistics to share/discuss/debate ideas...or does that only apply to those ideas conforming to a specific political ideology?


When it comes to 3 or 4 who try to dominate WP to use it as their political platform, yes. They are easy to spot as they refer to themselves as "we" all the time.


I can't believe this thread hasn't been locked.
Don't get me wrong,
I don't want it to be,
But it usually happens by now. <shrug>

On the off chance it can still survive,
Perhaps we should go back and talk about the climate.

Alternatively, we could take this discussion to the appropriate forum,
Which I think is a good idea.



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18 Jan 2020, 11:40 pm

Pepe wrote:
When cybertroll attacked you and me by saying we don't care about the bushfire tragedy,
And B19 chirped in and supported him,
I was ropeable.


I think continuing to call me names when I am being quite civil isn't going to win you points with the moderators especially when they have told you consistently to stop attacking other posters



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18 Jan 2020, 11:51 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
When cybertroll attacked you and me by saying we don't care about the bushfire tragedy,
And B19 chirped in and supported him,
I was ropeable.


I think continuing to call me names when I am being quite civil isn't going to win you points with the moderators especially when they have told you consistently to stop attacking other posters


You have also been told to stop atracking other posters. You are very far from blameless when it comes to name calling and personal atracks and derailing threads. And most everyone knows that, so give your silly act a rest. And no the moderators are not on your side or in your back pocket, so stop trying to insinuate that.



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18 Jan 2020, 11:53 pm

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You have also been told to stop atracking other posters. You are very far from blameless when it comes to name calling and personal atracks and derailing threads. And most everyone knows that, so give your silly act a rest. And no the moderators are not on your side or in your back pocket, so stop trying to insinuate that.


I have been told once by the moderators in the 9 years I've posted on WP to take it easy on you because you trigger easily....again you exaggerate and make up stuff...



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19 Jan 2020, 12:04 am

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EzraS wrote:
You have also been told to stop atracking other posters. You are very far from blameless when it comes to name calling and personal atracks and derailing threads. And most everyone knows that, so give your silly act a rest. And no the moderators are not on your side or in your back pocket, so stop trying to insinuate that.


I have been told once by the moderators in the 9 years I've posted on WP to take it easy on you because you trigger easily....again you exaggerate and make up stuff...


No you have been told in threads to cool it many times. You think warnings that include you, are only about others. But you are wrong, they have included you whether you realized it or not.



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19 Jan 2020, 12:10 am

EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
You have also been told to stop atracking other posters. You are very far from blameless when it comes to name calling and personal atracks and derailing threads. And most everyone knows that, so give your silly act a rest. And no the moderators are not on your side or in your back pocket, so stop trying to insinuate that.


I have been told once by the moderators in the 9 years I've posted on WP to take it easy on you because you trigger easily....again you exaggerate and make up stuff...


No you have been told in threads to cool it many times. You think warnings that include you, are only about others. But you are wrong, they have included you whether you realized it or not.


I thought you were talking about "official warnings"....unofficially we are all told to take things easy. Like this thread which is likely to be closed down because it's been hijacked by the three of you and gone off topic.



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19 Jan 2020, 12:25 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
You have also been told to stop atracking other posters. You are very far from blameless when it comes to name calling and personal atracks and derailing threads. And most everyone knows that, so give your silly act a rest. And no the moderators are not on your side or in your back pocket, so stop trying to insinuate that.


I have been told once by the moderators in the 9 years I've posted on WP to take it easy on you because you trigger easily....again you exaggerate and make up stuff...


No you have been told in threads to cool it many times. You think warnings that include you, are only about others. But you are wrong, they have included you whether you realized it or not.


I thought you were talking about "official warnings"....unofficially we are all told to take things easy. Like this thread which is likely to be closed down because it's been hijacked by the three of you and gone off topic.


You do as much hijacking and derailing as anyone else.



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19 Jan 2020, 12:30 am

Pepe wrote:
Perhaps we should go back and talk about the climate.


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Strong photosynthetic acclimation and enhanced water‐use efficiency in grassland functional groups persist over 21 years of CO2 enrichment, independent of nitrogen supply
"Our results imply that enhanced nitrogen supply will not necessarily diminish photosynthetic acclimation to eCO2 in nitrogen‐limited systems, and that significant and consistent declines in stomatal conductance and increases in water‐use efficiency under eCO2 may allow plants to better withstand drought."

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Biomass increases attributed to both faster tree growth and altered allometric relationships under long‐term carbon dioxide enrichment at a temperate forest
"Using the same diameter‐based allometric equations for biomass it was estimated that plots with elevated CO2 contained 21% more aboveground biomass, consistent with previous studies. However, elevated CO2 significantly affected allometry, and these changes had an additional effect on biomass. In particular, P. taeda trees at a given diameter were observed to be taller under elevated CO2 than under ambient CO2 due to changes in both the allometric scaling exponent and intercept. Accounting for allometric change increased the treatment effect of elevated CO2 on aboveground biomass from a 21% to a 27% increase."

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Elevated [CO2] alleviates the impacts of water deficit on xylem anatomy and hydraulic properties of maize stems
"Results showed that at current [CO2], vessel diameter, vessel roundness, stem cross‐section area, specific hydraulic conductivity, and vulnerability to embolism decreased under deficit irrigation; yet, these impacts of deficit irrigation were reduced at elevated [CO2]."


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