F.B.I. Raids Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
Matrix Glitch wrote:
The primary fantasy is Trump imprisoned one way or another.
How is that any different than the fantasy of Clinton?
The jail images with Trump as always struck me as tit for tat. More of a joke, really.
The real goal is to keep him - or any with his same goals - from becoming president again.
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Matrix Glitch wrote:
The buzz all over the internet and media was that Trump was going down for collusion. And his cronies were going down for collusion too. When it started becoming clear that wasn't going to happen, the backpedling and reinventing started. And indictments for things like lying to the FBI were made in lieu of indictments for collusion. That's just they way it was, no matter how much it gets dressed up.
Buzz is not reality. Most people didn't understand what the investigation was allowed to actually do. I'm not back pedaling. I always said the investigation was important because we needed to know if a foreign government had, in fact, interfered. Well, in that measure, we learned exactly what I thought we needed to learn. I never expected Trump to actually go down, especially given the limitations of the investigation. I can't stop media and a segment of liberals from going overboard anymore than I can stop the cult MAGAs or Tucker Carlson.
IMHO, we all have to stop letting exaggerated media and energetic politicians color our perceptions of the political opposition.
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DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
When I did click the link you provided I got: "Scientists create immortal human cells to understand how cancer works"
Oh.
Wonder how I messed that up ...
Trying again:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/s ... s-election
This is more of the same to me regarding previous reports. Lots of conjecture. Wording such as "some evidence” and "may have". Nothing concrete or conclusive. It was established and agreed upon a long time ago that the Russian troll group called Fancy Bear were playing games. But no American connected to Trump was indicated for colluding with Russia. The whole thing is a convoluted collection of circumstantial evidence, connecting the dots and surmising.
That's why when it concluded many people, including myself, said "that's it? That's all they were able to come up with? LOL".
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Matrix Glitch wrote:
The primary fantasy is Trump imprisoned one way or another.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
Umm, the goal is that he’s held accountable for his crimes. Holding someone accountable for their crimes isn’t a partisan politically motivated thing. If as a consequence of his crimes he can’t run for or hold public office, that’s a great side effect. But him being investigated, eventually indicted, and potentially facing consequences has to do with the crimes he committed - not his threats to run for potus again.
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DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
The buzz all over the internet and media was that Trump was going down for collusion. And his cronies were going down for collusion too. When it started becoming clear that wasn't going to happen, the backpedling and reinventing started. And indictments for things like lying to the FBI were made in lieu of indictments for collusion. That's just they way it was, no matter how much it gets dressed up.
Buzz is not reality. Most people didn't understand what the investigation was allowed to actually do. I'm not back pedaling. I always said the investigation was important because we needed to know if a foreign government had, in fact, interfered. Well, in that measure, we learned exactly what I thought we needed to learn. I never expected Trump to actually go down, especially given the limitations of the investigation. I can't stop media and a segment of liberals from going overboard anymore than I can stop the cult MAGAs or Tucker Carlson.
IMHO, we all have to stop letting exaggerated media and energetic politicians color our perceptions of the political opposition.
This is something that needs to be established. This is not about you. The backpedling I'm talking about involves politicians, committees, mainstream media etc... not you. A lot of my thoughts about this were established long before I knew of your existence. I rarely have you in mind personally when discussing these wide ranging matters involving many people who are in the news. So please stop taking so much of what I say personally.
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
The primary fantasy is Trump imprisoned one way or another.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
Umm, the goal is that he’s held accountable for his crimes. Holding someone accountable for their crimes isn’t a partisan politically motivated thing. If as a consequence of his crimes he can’t run for or hold public office, that’s a great side effect. But him being investigated, eventually indicted, and potentially facing consequences has to do with the crimes he committed - not his threats to run for potus again.
Well like millions of others I think it was primarily a political attempt to end a presidency, and now a primarily political attempt to stop a presidency. Which is why Trump has never even come close to being indicted for any of it.
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Matrix Glitch wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
The primary fantasy is Trump imprisoned one way or another.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
Umm, the goal is that he’s held accountable for his crimes. Holding someone accountable for their crimes isn’t a partisan politically motivated thing. If as a consequence of his crimes he can’t run for or hold public office, that’s a great side effect. But him being investigated, eventually indicted, and potentially facing consequences has to do with the crimes he committed - not his threats to run for potus again.
Well like millions of others I think it was primarily a political attempt to end a presidency, and now a primarily political attempt to stop a presidency. Which is why Trump has never even come close to being indicted for any of it.
Good thing what you think and what reality is are two different things.
You’ve made it clear that you’re intentionally remaining ignorant about many of trump and his goons’ crimes as you refuse to watch the J6 hearings and prefer to just say what you think about him vs know what crimes he’s committed.
Thankfully there are a bunch of responsible adults in your country’s government & legal system that are doing their jobs and will hold him accountable for his actions.
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goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
The primary fantasy is Trump imprisoned one way or another.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
The primary goal of the democrats and those working with them, is to keep Trump from becoming president again.
Just as their main goal previously was trying to get him out of office.
I think that complaints from democrats about trying to overturn an election and democracy, is viewed with a jaundiced eye by many. Because they tried so hard for so long to invalidate the 2916 election.
And now they're trying to impede a potential 2024 candidate from running.
And naturally all that makes many suspicious about the 2020 election. Which was unusual to say the least.
Umm, the goal is that he’s held accountable for his crimes. Holding someone accountable for their crimes isn’t a partisan politically motivated thing. If as a consequence of his crimes he can’t run for or hold public office, that’s a great side effect. But him being investigated, eventually indicted, and potentially facing consequences has to do with the crimes he committed - not his threats to run for potus again.
Well like millions of others I think it was primarily a political attempt to end a presidency, and now a primarily political attempt to stop a presidency. Which is why Trump has never even come close to being indicted for any of it.
Good thing what you think and what reality is are two different things.
You’ve made it clear that you’re intentionally remaining ignorant about many of trump and his goons’ crimes as you refuse to watch the J6 hearings and prefer to just say what you think about him vs know what crimes he’s committed.
Thankfully there are a bunch of responsible adults in your country’s government & legal system that are doing their jobs and will hold him accountable for his actions.
It's not what I know or think about him. It's what I know regarding political attempts to remove him from the presidency and prevent him from becoming president again.
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goldfish21 wrote:
Umm, the goal is that he’s held accountable for his crimes. Holding someone accountable for their crimes isn’t a partisan politically motivated thing.
The MAGAs hope that Trump's head will end up on Mount Rushmore with Thomas Jefferson, another criminal who had his real past erased from the history books.
Matrix Glitch wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
The buzz all over the internet and media was that Trump was going down for collusion. And his cronies were going down for collusion too. When it started becoming clear that wasn't going to happen, the backpedling and reinventing started. And indictments for things like lying to the FBI were made in lieu of indictments for collusion. That's just they way it was, no matter how much it gets dressed up.
Buzz is not reality. Most people didn't understand what the investigation was allowed to actually do. I'm not back pedaling. I always said the investigation was important because we needed to know if a foreign government had, in fact, interfered. Well, in that measure, we learned exactly what I thought we needed to learn. I never expected Trump to actually go down, especially given the limitations of the investigation. I can't stop media and a segment of liberals from going overboard anymore than I can stop the cult MAGAs or Tucker Carlson.
IMHO, we all have to stop letting exaggerated media and energetic politicians color our perceptions of the political opposition.
This is something that needs to be established. This is not about you. The backpedling I'm talking about involves politicians, committees, mainstream media etc... not you. A lot of my thoughts about this were established long before I knew of your existence. I rarely have you in mind personally when discussing these wide ranging matters involving many people who are in the news. So please stop taking so much of what I say personally.
I'm the one who called you out for saying the investigation went "nowhere." And you've given me a lot of rhetoric for why you see it as you do. But in the interest of accuracy, you were wrong to make that statement. Just apply the plain, ordinary meaning of words, and forget the fluff and buzz; my point stands.
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