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24 Oct 2023, 4:47 pm

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Video game violence and violence in real life are very different things.

What's with the act?


I see where you are going. I've always liked reading your threads btw, and thought of you in good terms.

I just wanted you to clarify what you meant when you said it was an act. I'm not sure that I'm following what you mean. There's no reason to leave the site. I'm glad that you liked my threads.


I've made some statements on other threads, that is quite childish "cutting off people hands", but they are only meant to portray a mask, for insecurity purposes, but I genuinely like/think about these themes alot. What I stated before was that, as someone who enjoys watching conflicts (which is of course quite different from experiencing conflicts as Lizard states), I am eager to see it unfold, just because I enjoy watching videos related to war, I.e bombs, planes, etc. I never think about the human part of it because, to me it's all just in a video.


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24 Oct 2023, 5:10 pm

Who is that man in your avatar? That Asian guy in the Mao type suite?



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24 Oct 2023, 5:17 pm

I have to be careful about what I read and watch as far as violence is concerned even in works of fiction. It's really bad. I had to quit reading a series of books in Spanish that I was a thousand+ pages into because the violence bothered me too much and was affecting my sleep and anxiety levels. To me, depictions of real violence, especially that are currently happening, certainly wouldn't be just in a video, just in a book, etc., but I realize we're all different.



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24 Oct 2023, 5:23 pm

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Who is that man in your avatar? That Asian guy in the Mao type suite?


Nikolai Yezhov


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24 Oct 2023, 5:58 pm

Never heard of him. Had to Google him.

He was head of the Soviet secret police under Stalin. Presided over the execution of thousands...until he himself got tortured and forced to confess to something or other...and got executed himself.

Thats different. An unusual celeb to have on your profile.

So you...have a henchman of Stalin as your avator (instead of some boring old athlete of movie star or rock star)...have a morbid sentence as your signature, and in one thread you say you have special interest in "cannon fodder tactics", and in this thread you say you cant wait until war breaks out in Gaza because it would be entertaining because it generate casualties. :D

I bet that your...house is a museum... :D


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24 Oct 2023, 7:16 pm

@Kraichgauer:
You don't know all their crimes, some have been classified for many decades, others we only knew in part.

Do you know the Foibe?

The war in Greece, the massacres?
Our wars in Africa, are you sure?
The Italian concentration camps?

The mass exterminations (the ones done by us)?

Racial laws?

You can't know them because after the war the equivalence of good Italian and bad German had to pass.

Believe me we were not different at all, have you ever seen the absolute conviction of two Nazi regimes together?

You only know things to a very small extent.

Try searching in English for Italian war crimes.

The data is enormous even before the world wars and after.

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Do you know what government we have now?

Far right.

The new fascist government was born on September 23rd eighty years ago: it was called the Italian Social Republic and everyone called it the Republic of Salò.

Benito Mussolini created it less than two months after his arrest on 25 July which occurred after the famous vote of the Grand Council -: from that day the Duce was continuously transferred to various locations to prevent the Germans from freeing him.

After the armistice, on 16 September,when the king had already fled to Brindisi and much of central and northern Italy was controlled by the Nazis – Mussolini was freed. A week later he created the new fascist government: it was decentralized and spread across northern Italy but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Propaganda, the press agency and related offices were based in Salò.

So, consequently, all the communiqués began by saying "Salò communicates" and made the city on Garda a synonym of the government itself.


The impression one gets, observing the brief history of this fascist experiment, oscillates between the construction of a puppet state of Nazi Germany and the desperate attempt to regain power by a moribund regime.


It was a chaos of armed and semi-independent gangs fighting against the partisans and each other, who committed brutal crimes even against civilians. However, little is known about this, since much has remained hidden about the idea of the puppet state.


Marco Cuzzi, professor at the Department of Historical Studies of the State University of Milan, author of Six Hundred Days of Terror in Milan.


Daily life in the times of Salò (Neri Pozza, 2022) and winner of the Acqui Storia prize.




The State of the Social Republic should have been "republican, corporate and fascist". What does it mean and how, in reality, was it? It means that after 25 July 1943 and after the "betrayal" of the king, the rebirth of a fascist state could only be the antithesis of a monarchical state and, therefore, a republican state .


Furthermore, this passage explicitly referred to the fascist origins, to the San Sepolcro manifesto of 1919, to the call then made for a new Constituent Assembly, in opposition to the monarchical structure.


Therefore, on the one hand there was an obligatory and oppositional choice with respect to the monarchy; on the other, a reminder of the more rebellious roots of fascism.


The idea of corporatism as a form of socialization was also connected to this last point. The corporate element remained at the basis of the entire fascist, littorio and republican system, in this context the idea of socialization was strengthened through hypotheses of worker co-management. In fact, there was none of this in practice, except in some companies, especially editorial and the most "comfortable" ones, such as that of Popolo d'Italia.


Obviously, beyond the republican propaganda aspect (frequent references to Mazzini, the Bandiera brothers), it was a republic without parties, of another regime.


And the workers' strikes of 1944? In the general narrative one imagines a mobilization of political nature. However, although there were certainly sectors that joined the Resistance forces, the priority element was that of the social strike, of dispute. We no longer wanted war. In any case, the repression was brutal and these episodes marked a huge disconnect from the regime. Who were the armed wings of the RSI? How did they operate?


So many. First of all, the organized military force of the army, under the leadership of Rodolfo Graziani, with four complete divisions and various units, which should have supported the Germans on the front line but which, largely, after 1944, formed groups of hunters to repress the internal resistance.


Then there was a more political army, a black shirt army, namely that of the National Guard, made up of the cold fusion between the old fascist militia, the Italian African police and the carabinieri.


Then there were the black brigades, made up of party members, involved in the repression of the partisans. Furthermore, the Decima Mas and the police should not be forgotten.

The Decima Mas, under Junio Valerio Borghese, was a sort of medieval-style company that interacted directly with the Germans.

The Republican police, however, very battered and infiltrated by the Resistance, was gradually replaced by ruthless gangs in every city. What does the high rate of draft evasion in Salò tell us? Resistance was one of the forms of plural resistance.


A political conviction certainly also played a part in this but, even in this case, the desire to end yet another war that was heading towards defeat was decisive.

Remember that many draft dodgers had already participated in the conflicts in Greece, Albania, Russia and North Africa.
Now the world balance has changed.

There are two thirds of the world who have ganged up against us.

And they are very strong nations.

One of these nations aims precisely to diverge public opinion from the reality of the facts.

Wars are thought to be local.


*The expansionism of China and beyond will be clear-cut towards Africa and beyond.

Be careful because now they can and are very strong.

They permeate the economies of nations.

They bring millions of their citizens to occupy economies.

Can you imagine what I'm aiming for in Africa?

Raw materials and bases, as well as building Atomic Power Plants.

No state can intervene anywhere anymore, because a multitude of nations would be found in a new military alliance.

Anyone who thinks about the conflict of wars has already lost them from the start.


In any case the situation would turn into a third world war.


Can we avoid it?

Yes.

We must avoid it







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24 Oct 2023, 8:45 pm

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Never heard of him. Had to Google him.

He was head of the Soviet secret police under Stalin. Presided over the execution of thousands...until he himself got tortured and forced to confess to something or other...and got executed himself.

Thats different. An unusual celeb to have on your profile.

So you...have a henchman of Stalin as your avator (instead of some boring old athlete of movie star or rock star)...have a morbid sentence as your signature, and in one thread you say you have special interest in "cannon fodder tactics", and in this thread you say you cant wait until war breaks out in Gaza because it would be entertaining because it generate casualties. :D

I bet that your...house is a museum... :D


https://youtu.be/cfawtDT945o


Thanks, I appreciate it :)


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24 Oct 2023, 10:27 pm

Huckleberry Finn -
Pretty grim stuff. Have Italians embraced their history as Germany has?


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24 Oct 2023, 11:40 pm

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I don't even know who the Uighers, Rohingya, and Tamils are. Which means close to 99% of Americans don't either.


:lmao:


:roll: ...........Yes I personally have been living under a Rock out in my Garden for over Forty years ..! :roll:


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25 Oct 2023, 12:01 am

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Why would someone be eager to see it unfold? That sounds sociopathic.


People who like this stuff are alot of aspergic people, people who play video games, people who play videos game and like to see real war footage. That is why I am eager to see it unfold, I'm aware that I've made similarly themed replies on other threads, buts it's all an act.

People that like to see real war footage never saw the real thing.
Vets with PTSD can’t watch the news at times.


This is probably the time I leave the site then.


Hmm... a bit of a fatalist.?...after a person has aged mentally sometimes ,a realization might occur to a person that real life death "Trumps" video game death.....peeps dealin with "too" much real life ,...can be a bit testy about even remote comparisons between Games vs Real Life . Midwesterners might call it a "Horse of a different colour ."
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25 Oct 2023, 12:12 am

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The global tears for Palestinians may be perceived as an insult to the Uighers, Rohingya, Tamils, Yemeni and South Sudanese


WTF

Any "global tears" right now are for humanity as a whole. For suffering civilians, for innocent people who are trapped in this Hell through no fault of their own, regardless of where the hell they're from. The tears are for mass casualties and people screaming for their children, their spouses, their parents, or even their own lives.

idgaf where anyone was born or what their nationality is.

I care that there is a humanitarian crisis, just like all the other times I've cried for peace.


DEFINITY Agreed.....!... 8O ...Palestine etc... whomever?


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25 Oct 2023, 5:47 pm

NBC News Live Blog

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Gaza's health care system is failing, and the U.N. warned it may be forced to halt operations today as fuel runs out. Israeli airstrikes led to the deadliest day yet in the besieged enclave, Palestinian officials said.

Growing international calls for a humanitarian cease-fire have been met with fury by Israel, which angrily denounced the head of the U.N. for his comments and said it was time to teach the world body "a lesson."

Talks with Hamas about the release of a larger group of hostages are "progressing positively," a diplomat with knowledge of the discussions said, although there has been "no breakthrough yet."

Israel conducted new strikes on the occupied West Bank and against Syria overnight, adding to concerns about a broader escalation amid frequent clashes with Hezbollah across the Lebanon border.

More than 6,546 people have been killed in Gaza, an increase of more than 700 in the last day, according to the enclave's health spokesman. In Israel, 1,400 people have been killed, including 308 members of the Israeli forces.


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25 Oct 2023, 6:55 pm

The international priority given to seeking a resolution on behalf of Ukrainians and Palestinians isn't given the same parity as for other minorities at risk of genocide (both historically and currently). That seems (at a basic level of understanding) to be obvious to me.



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25 Oct 2023, 6:57 pm

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Which means that you tacitly agree that it cuts both ways- we shouldnt give a crap those Israelies murdered by HAMAS either. Indeed we shouldnt support Israel at all. .


I have given my answer, Israel has the right to defend themselves.



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25 Oct 2023, 7:00 pm

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Also...please stop conflating with Somalia with South Sudan.


When Somalia was getting the crap kicked out of them from US forces I never heard one dissenting voice from their so called Arab "brothers",

When South Sudanese were being genocided by the muslims in northern Sudan there were no marches for them from the same "rent a crowd" who are marching for Palestinians



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25 Oct 2023, 7:20 pm

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If Arab lives mattered then HAMAS would not use their own people as human shields.

I’m quoting this again because I keep on seeing this “argument,” and I don’t get it. What’s the point? It just seems like a bad argument to me.

How many people have died from being used as human shields? Would all the thousands of people have died as human shields if they had not died during the air strikes? I doubt it.

Even if that’s how Hamas likes to spend rainy afternoons, the loss of life in the bombardment is not okay. Even if Hamas doesn’t value their citizens’ lives, it doesn’t mean they’re not valuable.

I’m just not getting this line of reasoning, and I’m seeing it over and over again on WP and elsewhere. It’s almost like an emotion-stopping technique or maybe it's an attempt to rationalize (trivialize?) the massive loss of human life, including that of children, that’s occurring.