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05 Sep 2022, 10:31 am

The French thing was merely a pretext.

Hitler felt threatened by Rohm and his SA…he made something up.

Trump has done this, too, though he hasn’t murdered anybody yet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Röhm

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05 Sep 2022, 11:02 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

The French thing was merely a pretext.

Hitler felt threatened by Rohm and his SA…he made something up.

Trump has done this, too, though he hasn’t murdered anybody yet.

Can you give an example?

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05 Sep 2022, 12:28 pm

Read any tweet which Trump has sent after he has fired somebody. Invariably, he will give some “justification” for the firing. Many of these “justifications” weren’t true.

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05 Sep 2022, 12:31 pm

https://fb.watch/flW-D4epOn/

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05 Sep 2022, 1:59 pm

Yep - I bet the rest of the world is wondering exactly this:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mehdi-ha ... aa022b75dd

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05 Sep 2022, 2:12 pm

Here’s an example of Trump lying….about Michael Flynn, once and future ally…

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/p ... flynn.html

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05 Sep 2022, 2:25 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Here’s an example of Trump lying….about Michael Flynn, once and future ally…

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/p ... flynn.html

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05 Sep 2022, 2:31 pm

Try this.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... ired-flynn

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05 Sep 2022, 2:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Try this.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... ired-flynn

He lies constantly and he's old.. it's no surprise that he forgets what he said previously and either tells another lie or accidentally tells the truth.

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05 Sep 2022, 3:07 pm

Flynn was sort of his lackey…..and later became his lackey again.

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05 Sep 2022, 5:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Try this.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... ired-flynn

I would posit the level of compromise America's national security agencies made on behalf of Trump putting the US and the free world at risk of infiltration from the Russians probably emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine.

Cause and effect. Putin probably thought he had enough dirt on Trump to ensure the Americans and NATO would never intervene when he planned the invasion of Ukraine. And he was right.

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05 Sep 2022, 5:28 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:

Try this.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... ired-flynn

..except there's a constant flow of weapons from NATO countries to Ukraine to defend themselves with.. soooo, there's definitely international intervention. Billions and Billions of dollars worth.

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05 Sep 2022, 6:35 pm

If this guy is correct, it seems the judge that awarded trumplestiltskin a special master may have erred bigly:

https://fb.watch/fmgiJ9sNw1/

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05 Sep 2022, 7:54 pm

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The point to the investigation never changed. The purpose was clearly stated, and it was not about "getting Trump." Shoot, the scope was specifically limited to NOT get Trump. The investigation had to authorized by a Republican congress and Justice Department, if you recall. There was ALWAYS a discrepancy between what the Democrats wanted, and what actually happened.

Maybe read the original authorizing document?

We're going around in circles, practically speaking totally different languages. But we're both stubborn as heck, aren't we?

I don't remember reading the original authorizing document. I mainly remember news coverage and internet talk. I did read some concluding document that I wasn't impressed with. The main theme as far as news and internet jabber went, form the beginning was Trump stole the election with the help of Russia. And I constantly heard how he was on the brink of going to prison. How terrified he was. And seeing all the Trump in orange jumpsuit and behind bars memes and politcal cartoons, and it all seemed like complete nonsense to me.

And this latest; the Jan 6th hearings and investigations, now coupled with the "nuclear documents" investigations and hearings, just seems like more of the same as I described above.

Now while I could spend a lot of time watching hearings and reading reports and all that, it's still a wait and see situation. So since I'm not involved in the process, I'll mainly wait and see. Right now it's wait and see between now and the midterms. I'm really more interested in seeing how all of this, including Biden's speech, and anything that comes up between now and November effects the outcome of the midterms. I think if the Democrats loose a lot of seats in the House and Senate, it will probably be game over for the whole shebang.

So you have formed and are stubbornly holding onto an opinion based on your memory of events without ever having looked up the one document that matters? The worst part for me is I can't even call you out for that because I know as well as anyone that we all have to make choices on how we spend our time, and I've unknowingly argued opinions that, it turned out, could easily have been refuted. It's human nature, but, dang, its annoying sitting on the other side of it.

Let me help you out, it takes less than a minute to read: https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr ... 1/download

Primary purpose: Russian interference.
Scope: allowed to include investigation into individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump.
Note: complete lack of authorization to investigate Donald Trump himself.

Given the scope and my note are open to some interpretation, be aware that Mueller has stated he felt the document did NOT give him authority to investigate Donald Trump, the individual, and he did not do so.

I realize you don't care. So be it. But ... my opinion on this is weighing a whole lot heavier than yours.

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05 Sep 2022, 8:01 pm

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Ernst Rohm was entirely faithful to Hitler. He got killed for it when his usefulness to Hitler was used up.

(Not equating Trump with Hitler, just pointing out another person who disposed of faithful people when their usefulness was used up).

Why keep someone on when they're no longer useful?

It depends on if you like having people, anyone, around, doesn't it?

Sure way to make sure everyone will eventually leave you alone is to discard people when they no longer are useful to you. I believe society has a long list of nasty names for people with such an attitude.

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05 Sep 2022, 8:13 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy thinks you (the American public) are completely stupid:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marco-ru ... 6be047c4bf

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