[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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Hamas is the government of Gaza. The West Bank (the much bigger Palestinian territory) is governed by Fatah.

Using that metric you were a Trump supporter and sympathiser and were complicit with all the crap he did , hang your head in shame /jk.

I wonder how that compares to the general Lebanese population.

I'm guessing the outcome is going to be that 10's of thousands of people die over this. Israel isn't going to just puff their chest with a bunch of war machines lined up along the border. They're going to steamroll into Northern Gaza and obliterate everything & everyone in the way of attempting to snuff out hamas entirely. Chances are there are going to be many more times the civilian casualties as have already occurred. It might take some time vs. one big carpet bombing exercise.. seeing as the USA has just funded Israeli defence for the next Year it's going to be a prolonged campaign. Very little chance they set off all their fireworks in one go and then back off and everyone relaxes. Nope. This s**t is going to last a while And set the region off like a powder keg - not only with all the various tribal humans warring over religion or language/culture/appearance & territory, but with the assistance of all the world's superpowers and allied forces. USA has a couple big ass ships en route, and so does China. Can't recall if I heard of Russia also has boats in the water.. but it's all happening and the s**t is about to hit the fan. And none of these war machine, bullet & rocket producing nations are going to strive for peace asap when there's military industrial complex money to be made at the expense of various groups 1/2 a world away shooting at each other in a desert.

I usually like Armin Navabi's takes:

I am saying that in the western world there is (and has always been) a double standard in terms of foreign policy involving countries engaged in genocide of minorities.

For example the genocide in Bangladesh, Rwanda and Cambodia were permitted to happen with some complicity of western powers.

In stark contrast there was a "world wide" outcry/condemnation over children in Palestine, Syria, Albania, Bosnia, Ukraine and Iraq.

My point is the historic response seems to depend to geographic proximity to Europe.

HAMAS will make sure any ground offensive will involve "collateral" deaths of civilians including their own martyrs. The cost here was factored long before the actual terror attack as HAMAS planned their mission with Iran. Ultimately there is no way following a ground assault that Israel will be able to make any form of alliance with their neighbors in the Arab world. That of course serves the interests of HAMAS, Hezbollah and Iran.

What they’re currently doing, including how they’re doing it, is not the only option. They’ve indiscriminately fired on civilians, killed members of the press, and used chemical weapons. Their goal has not been to avoid civilian casualties. They’ve engaged in war crimes. That’s not even factoring issues from a historical standpoint.

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My best guess is that the HAMAS leadership will simply infiltrate the Palestinian refugees and take safe haven in southern Gaza being fed and looked after by the UN. Meanwhile the network of tunnels under Gaza can hide the hostages for an undetermined time. There is also an unknown factor whether Egypt might be complicit on the Sinai border in helping hide the hostages? As mentioned, the longer HAMAS hold onto the hostages, the more demoralised the Israelis will be. The psychological impact of HAMAS men handling young female Israelis and children has already taken its toll on a population who have carried intergenerational trauma from the time they were enslaved by the Babylonians and Egyptian Pharaohs.

^ What about the intergenerational trauma on Palestinians that has been mentioned throughout this thread?

All civilians deserve compassion and empathy because they are all human beings.

Israelis haven’t been the only victims here now or historically.

Even Biden's people have said that reports coming from inside Gaza are suspected to be exaggerated and can't be believed. Unfortunately international sympathisers of the Palestinians are relying on "HAMAS approved" reports such as the death toll is now 7000

Of course there have been civilian casualties, but as somebody who has observed Palestinian civilians following an Israeli rocket attack always carry on and make a big spectacle for the cameras from the early days of Arafat's interfada which always seems to me designed for the cameras.

It’s impossible to say how many people have died, but based on current evidence and statements made by the IDF, it appears to be a lot. That would also be consistent with past conflicts.

How dare those people make a big deal over rocket attacks!

Drama queens the lot of them./s

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Oh I am old enough to remember how Arafat would stir up civilians to march in the streets beating their chests and crying to the rooftops for even one civilian getting shot with a tear gas cannister. The Palestinians are quite savvy and know the propaganda war against Israel is very effective.

I would say for general population it would be 50%; slightly more to the 2nd option. Atheists are not very representatives.

Hence why I predict a split of Lebanon; like the two Koreas. This next conflict is looming very clearly.