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07 Mar 2020, 10:50 pm

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Since when has this become a competition Eikonabridge?

Taiwan and Singapore have authoritarian governments which are able to mobilise the population quicker than free democracies.


Some people wish to frame this coronavirus threat through the lens of politics, or blame and reparations, or conspiracy theory. Where does this save lives? That should be our focus. What are actual workable solutions. That is what counts at the moment. Everything else is dust in the wind.


You make a very good point, Jimmy. This pandemic could be an opportunity for the world to unite as much as it could divide. I hope for the former.



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08 Mar 2020, 9:03 am

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... does this save lives? That should be our focus. What are actual workable solutions. That is what counts at the moment. Everything else is dust in the wind.

The research study described in this article indicates that eating a ketogenic diet significantly increases the immune system's production of T-cells, which ( among other things ), protect the lungs against virus infections.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... s-defenses

A ketogenic diet contains little to no carbohydrates, ie no complex starchy carbohydrates or simple sugars or anything in between ( eg no rice or other cereals, no pulses, ( apart from soya/tofu etc ), no sweet fruits, no soft cheeses or cream or milk because of lactose, no cooked tomato, no potatoes or peanuts ).

Eating only proteins, fats and low- carb vegetables ( green leafy rather than sweet or starchy ), forces the body to switch over to ketones as its energy/"fuel" source rather than glucose, and this apparently triggers a much more active immune system response to infection, especially in the lungs, ie not just to influenza but any respiratory illness, like the coronavirus.

It's in line with old advice to "starve a fever".

Moving over to a ketogenic diet can be pretty tough, and also ironically causes its own temporary mini-"illness", with mild flu-like symptoms ... which I now realise is probably because it is dialing up the T-cell production.

I'm a total sugar and starch addict, and have never succeeded in sustaining a ketogenic diet for more than a few days, apart from one occasion when stuck it for several weeks, because I miss my usual/lifelong since babyhood kick/high/buzz/cocoon/comfortable numbness/spaced out doziness too much ... but when I do manage it, get past the achey chills and "sickness behaviour" hibernatory inertia and gloom of the first day or two ... it's amazing! :))

I have been preparing the ground for another attempt over the last few days, cutting down gradually on carbs including honey in herb teas, hummus, and potatoes, etc. Coronavirus may be the fresh motivation that I need to give it another go. :)

Either way, the science is real. You can probably significantly improve your resilience and chances of surviving coronavirus by completely cutting out carbohydrates, and eating fish/eggs/meat/hard cheeses/tofu etc/nuts ( not peanuts though ), and fats ( including ripe avocados :) ), and plenty of green salads/herbs/green vegetables plus garlic, ginger, cinnamon, and lemons/ berries/sour fruits. :)

PS. The first few days your breath smells, from the shift to a different metabolic process, but that gradually fades. :)

PPS. So stock up on tinned fish, dry/aged italian cheeses, eggs, soya and nuts etc! ( ie **not** the usual panic buy of pasta, rice, baked beans and UHT milk ). And as I already mentioned in earlier post, the vitamin D in oily fish ( and direct sunlight ) is also important for lung protection and immune system strength. Wondering whether to try growing parsley ...



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08 Mar 2020, 10:04 am

Some interesting notes this morning. Many of the big box stores in the States are running out of toilet paper. Grocery stores such as Krogers are limiting the amount of toilet paper one individual can purchase.

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In a sense toilet paper doesn't have a direct link to the coronavirus. But it is one of life's essentials in modern society. Try living without if for a month. And if one goes into quarantine, this is one item one will need. I suspect this type of shortage will quickly reverse as manufacturers accelerate production.

Household cleaners are also experiencing surge buying.

Starbucks has issued a temporary ban on personal and in-store cups to prevent the spread of germs.

Source: Amid coronavirus concerns, Starbucks temporarily bans personal and in-store cups

Costco has decided due to the coronavirus, they will no longer provide free food samples.


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08 Mar 2020, 10:19 am

Dr. Marc Siegel asked the question "Is the coronavirus seasonal?"

It is almost 90 degrees in Singapore, and the humidity is almost 90 percent. There are over 130 cases of the novel coronavirus there and the country's officials are hypervigilant, on the lookout for more. People in Singapore may not realize it, but the numbers of cases may remain small, not as much because of public health measures but because the heat and humidity may present a natural barrier to the spread of a respiratory virus.

By comparison, South Korea and New York currently have temperatures in the low 40s and the humidity is very low, conditions conducive to the spread of respiratory viruses. In South Korea, where over 200,000 people have been tested, there are over 6,000 confirmed cases and the coronavirus continues to spread.

The idea that many respiratory viruses (including influenza and other coronaviruses) follow a seasonal pattern is not a new one. It is based on the theory, believed by many virologists, that respiratory viruses travel farther on a cough or a sneeze in cold dry air than they do with hotter more humid weather where the water in the air causes the droplets to drop down to the ground.
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Back in the fall of 2002, a new coronavirus emerged from China, and rapidly spread around the globe, infecting close to 8,000 people with close to 800 deaths. In April and May the world geared up for a large pandemic – that never came.

Many public health officials pride themselves on having imposed timely quarantines and closed schools and other places in Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Taiwan and Toronto, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention restricted travel to these areas.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome was mostly gone by the following fall. I have always been more inclined to point to the weather for the drop-off, or as I wrote in "False Alarm; the Truth About the Epidemic of Fear" – the fact that the new virus wasn’t as contagious as we originally thought, but health officials at the time were patting themselves on the back for having squashed SARS.

The lesson from SARS is not that we shouldn’t have prepared, but that the hysteria and over-dramatizations and worst-case scenarios were completely unnecessary. Seventeen years later, we have forgotten this lesson, though we are still hoping for better weather to bail us out from a virus that is far more contagious, if less deadly, than was SARS.

Source: Dr. Marc Siegel: Is the coronavirus seasonal?

If you view the humidity as the main driver for influenza infection, there is a crossover. Influenzas begin in cold dry environments during the Winter and then as Spring arrives and humidity levels return to normal they begin to die out; but they crossover to hot dry desert environments with low humidity levels. And if influenza sticks around for several years, they will bounce back and forth between these two extremes.

Examples are the transition from China to Iran.


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08 Mar 2020, 12:53 pm

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Some interesting notes this morning. Many of the big box stores in the States are running out of toilet paper. Grocery stores such as Krogers are limiting the amount of toilet paper one individual can purchase.

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In a sense toilet paper doesn't have a direct link to the coronavirus. But it is one of life's essentials in modern society. Try living without if for a month. And if one goes into quarantine, this is one item one will need. I suspect this type of shortage will quickly reverse as manufacturers accelerate production.

Household cleaners are also experiencing surge buying.

Starbucks has issued a temporary ban on personal and in-store cups to prevent the spread of germs.

Source: Amid coronavirus concerns, Starbucks temporarily bans personal and in-store cups

Costco has decided due to the coronavirus, they will no longer provide free food samples.


I noticed that the cleaning supplies were hit very hard (almost empty) when I want to the store on Friday, yet the medicines isle were well stocked. Toilet paper was well stocked. I would think that one would stock up on medicine first, then cleaning supplies, and then toiletries. Maybe people already stocked up on medicines and they did not need to purchase more. That or they are not planning on getting the virus (or flu) going around here.

My reason why I went to the store was for a sale on nice steaks, mushrooms and baking potatoes for grilling out, not supplies for the virus threat. I tend to over prepare for emergencies to the point that I am good for at least two months on most household supplies. This is something that was ingrained upon me by my parents and grandparents. Some people have started selling cleaning supplies on Craigslist for multiples of the purchasing price in the store. Anyway to make a buck for them I guess.



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08 Mar 2020, 3:19 pm

I saw a couple interesting stories about toilet paper today. One of the items people are buying in the event the coronavirus gets worse is toilet paper. People are stocking up.

In the first story: A family in Australia purchased 2,304 rolls of toilet paper. They placed an order on-line and thought they were ordering a 48 roll of toilet paper when in fact they ordered 48 boxes of the stuff.

Family accidentally orders 12 years' worth of toilet paper

In the second story: an Australian newspaper NT News, a tabloid in the country’s Northern Territory, printed eight blank pages in its Thursday edition so people can cut and use them if needed as toilet paper. Lots of people are freaking out right now. In the wake of the coronavirus panic buying, there is a fear that many stores are running out of the stuff.

This second story made me cringe a little. There are different types of waste treatment systems. In most major cities they use sewage treatment plants. But in the countryside, many people rely on septic systems. Newspaper isn’t designed to be flushed. It is a good way to clog up a septic system.

Another article point to a way to adapt, if the unavailability of toilet paper became an endemic problem. Use water instead.

The cheapest and safest alternative is plain old water.

The sewage or plumbing system in many Asian countries isn’t designed to cope with paper, plus loo roll isn’t always affordable or accessible.

The number one reason many people skip the toilet paper in favour of water, however, is that most of the planet thinks it’s more hygienic to wash.

It may have come about because of climate and even religious belief. But, in the same way you wouldn’t flick your body with a dry towel instead showering, washing leaves you cleaner than wiping (it’s also gentler on your skin).

Bidets may be the more acceptable way to wash in the west but, again, they’re more about comfort than necessity.

It’s common to find a ‘lota’ or washing jug in the bathroom in some Asian homes and restaurants, even in the UK. These are like teapots, with a long spout to direct water where it needs to go. Otherwise, you can use a clean bottle or something similar.

Source: How to cope without toilet paper (in case there’s a coronavirus-related shortage)


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08 Mar 2020, 5:52 pm

Italy death toll soars amid travel ban

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The number of people to have died from the coronavirus in Italy has shot up by 133 in a day to 366, officials say.

The total number of infections leapt 25% to 7,375 from 5,883, according to the Civil Protection agency.

The jump in figures comes as millions adapt to radical measures introduced on Sunday in an attempt to contain the outbreak.

Up to 16 million people in Lombardy and 14 provinces need special permission to travel under new quarantine rules.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte also announced the closure of schools, gyms, museums, nightclubs and other venues across the whole country.

The restrictions will last until 3 April.

The latest figures mean Italy now has the highest number of confirmed infections outside China, where the outbreak originated in December. It has overtaken South Korea, where the total number of cases is 7,313.

Among the latest people to test positive in Italy is the army's chief of staff. Salvatore Farina said he felt well and was self-isolating.

The strict new quarantine measures affect a quarter of the Italian population and centre on the rich northern part of the country that powers its economy.

The health system is under immense strain in Lombardy, a northern region of 10 million people, where people are being treated in hospital corridors.

Under the new measures, people are not supposed to be able to enter or leave Lombardy, where Milan is the main city.

The same restrictions apply to 14 provinces: Modena, Parma, Piacenza, Reggio Emilia, Rimini, Pesaro and Urbino, Alessandria, Asti, Novara, Verbano Cusio Ossola, Vercelli, Padua, Treviso and Venice.

Some transport in and out of the regions affected continued on Sunday. Flights still arrived at Milan's Malpensa and Linate airports, though some scheduled flights were cancelled.
However, Italy's national carrier Alitalia said it would suspend all operations from Malpensa from Monday and Linate would only serve domestic routes. International flights would continue to and from Rome.

The World Health Organization (WHO) chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus praised Italy for making "genuine sacrifices" with the restrictions. Until Sunday only about 50,000 people in northern Italy had been affected by quarantines.

he number of infections worldwide is more than 107,000, with about 3,600 deaths.
Most of the fatalities have been in China. But the country on Sunday reported its lowest number of new infections in a single day since January - an indication that the virus's spread there is slowing.

Iran, one of the worst hotspots outside China, has now confirmed 6,566 infections and 194 deaths.

However, the real figure is feared to be much higher. One report on Sunday, quoting a government envoy, said there had been 200 deaths in the northern Gilan province alone - but the figures were later removed

In other developments:
A man in his 60s has become the third person in the UK to die from Covid-19. The man, who had "significant" underlying health problems, died at North Manchester General Hospital. He had recently returned from Italy.

Portugal's president says he will self-isolate at home after meeting pupils from a school that was shut after one of its pupils was admitted to hospital

Saudi Arabia has suspended classes at all schools and universities until further notice. Earlier, the governorate of Qatif in the oil-producing Eastern Province was put into lockdown
France has banned gatherings of more than 1,000 people

Pope Francis delivered his first live-streamed Sunday prayer to avoid the usual crowds forming - he said he was "close through prayer" with those suffering from the epidemic.

The Grand Princess cruise ship, which is being held off San Francisco in the US, is set to dock in Oakland on Monday

Oregon became the latest US state to declare a state of emergency after cases there doubled to 14
In the US more than 470 people have been diagnosed with Covid-19, and the death toll is 21.
Among other countries to report a rise in the total number of cases are: France (to 1,126); Germany (939); Spain (589); the UK (273); the Netherlands (265).

Colombia, Bulgaria, Costa Rica, Malta, the Maldives and Paraguay have, meanwhile, all reported their first cases.


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08 Mar 2020, 8:04 pm

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jimmy m wrote:
Some interesting notes this morning. Many of the big box stores in the States are running out of toilet paper. Grocery stores such as Krogers are limiting the amount of toilet paper one individual can purchase.

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In a sense toilet paper doesn't have a direct link to the coronavirus. But it is one of life's essentials in modern society. Try living without if for a month. And if one goes into quarantine, this is one item one will need. I suspect this type of shortage will quickly reverse as manufacturers accelerate production.

Household cleaners are also experiencing surge buying.

Starbucks has issued a temporary ban on personal and in-store cups to prevent the spread of germs.

Source: Amid coronavirus concerns, Starbucks temporarily bans personal and in-store cups

Costco has decided due to the coronavirus, they will no longer provide free food samples.


I noticed that the cleaning supplies were hit very hard (almost empty) when I want to the store on Friday, yet the medicines isle were well stocked. Toilet paper was well stocked. I would think that one would stock up on medicine first, then cleaning supplies, and then toiletries. Maybe people already stocked up on medicines and they did not need to purchase more. That or they are not planning on getting the virus (or flu) going around here.

My reason why I went to the store was for a sale on nice steaks, mushrooms and baking potatoes for grilling out, not supplies for the virus threat. I tend to over prepare for emergencies to the point that I am good for at least two months on most household supplies. This is something that was ingrained upon me by my parents and grandparents. Some people have started selling cleaning supplies on Craigslist for multiples of the purchasing price in the store. Anyway to make a buck for them I guess.


I just went to a local Target and they're capping the amount of soaps and sanitizers you can buy as well. The disinfectant wipes section was totally empty.

I heard on the radio that Amazon sellers have been trying to gouge people too.



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08 Mar 2020, 8:35 pm

https://politicalwire.com/2020/03/07/debate-in-white-house-raged-over-what-to-tell-public/

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Debate Raged Over What to Tell Public

... From the beginning, the Trump administration’s attempts to forestall an outbreak of a virus now spreading rapidly across the globe was marked by a raging internal debate about how far to go in telling Americans the truth.

Isn't this just funny? When the outbreak just started in China, the US and other governments were all pointing fingers at China. They said, China was hiding information. They asked China for transparency. Sure, it was all too easy to criticize, right? When the epidemic reached their own houses, guess what? The US government is now doing exactly the same thing: hiding information from its citizens and from the world.

The US government cooks up lies. For instance, telling people that masks are not needed. They said, you just need to be careful not to touch your own face, nose, and mouth. Yeah right. Do what I say, not what I do.


“I haven’t touched my face in weeks,” said Donald Trump, at a meeting with airline CEOs about the coronavirus crisis on Wednesday. “I miss it.” In reality? See this video.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-face-touching-video-proof_n_5e601ac1c5b6985ec91abce1


Italy has now overtaken South Korea in the number of COVID-19 cases. The Western bias towards wearing masks is causing people to die. WHO should stop lying immediately about the ineffectiveness of masks. Even a homemade mask helps. You don't need to buy masks. You can make your own.


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08 Mar 2020, 8:40 pm

I've been using disinfectant sprays daily and scrubbing n washing all outer garments n shoes more often at least 2 times a week ...

I even used disinfectant spray when visiting my sister a few weeks ago... I sprayed the elevator buttons

Masks and hand sanitizers have been sold out since this coronavirus thing showed up on the news . in my region ..

I still cannot fi1nf it anywhere.. Even small tiny shops run by 1 person have signs saying no masks available.. Everywhere it is sold out!! !! !

Any city in this region... Not exaggerating... :skull:

As the user above notes the masks prevent u from touching your face as habitually..
My worst thing is trying to rub eye make up if im out and see it's too heavy or becoming messy...
I have to reminf myself to use wet wipes fr that especially now.. Have wet wipes everywhere

N Children's hand sanitizer is available, just recently , I grabbed it! Better than nothing

My son's nurse today was really sad because she couldn't find masks or sanitizer either. Her job means she has to be extra careful


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08 Mar 2020, 8:44 pm

The big worry is that my elder bvux of his severity of ASD and needs.. He mouths n bites n licks EVERYTHING. it's horrible.. If u take ur eyes off him momentarily...
Th1ats how he broke my phone this time around actually
I caught him today multiple times trying to bite socks..Used socks that were his own ! !!
He does things like this every few minutes if nobody is with him. You cant imagine unless u meet him..
He licks doorknobs etc

he can do it fr hours if he is left to his own devices..
N it's really bad in general but moreso when viruses are spreading n his immunity is already compromised compared to most ppl...
N his is a very fragile body ..

Ppl who aren't working with him or have not seen a case like his, say ohhh just get a replacement thing to bite n redirect him he will start doing that instead..

He is 7 going on 8 n still doesn't n we still do it daily multiple times to no avail..


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09 Mar 2020, 1:22 am

Online shopping no longer supplies paper cleaning and sanistizers. Major shopping chains have queues starting at 5am in the morning waiting for the latest shipment of toilet paper every 3 days. Meanwhile black marketeers are making money from people's misery, why are they not being arrested?

In other news a young man in Tasmania who agreed to quarantine himself after being tested positive for COVID19 has gone on to work in his job waiting tables in a hotel and then visited a nightclub (potentially infecting hundreds). The state government is enacting legislation to arrest and charge people who recklessly ignore warning to quarantine themselves. The problem? i) won't they still be carriers after the curfew and ii) how do they buy groceries and not starve to death? How the heck do you police this?



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09 Mar 2020, 2:26 am

eikonabridge wrote:
https://politicalwire.com/2020/03/07/debate-in-white-house-raged-over-what-to-tell-public/
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Debate Raged Over What to Tell Public

... From the beginning, the Trump administration’s attempts to forestall an outbreak of a virus now spreading rapidly across the globe was marked by a raging internal debate about how far to go in telling Americans the truth.

Isn't this just funny? When the outbreak just started in China, the US and other governments were all pointing fingers at China. They said, China was hiding information. They asked China for transparency. Sure, it was all too easy to criticize, right? When the epidemic reached their own houses, guess what? The US government is now doing exactly the same thing: hiding information from its citizens and from the world.

The US government cooks up lies. For instance, telling people that masks are not needed. They said, you just need to be careful not to touch your own face, nose, and mouth. Yeah right. Do what I say, not what I do.


“I haven’t touched my face in weeks,” said Donald Trump, at a meeting with airline CEOs about the coronavirus crisis on Wednesday. “I miss it.” In reality? See this video.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-face-touching-video-proof_n_5e601ac1c5b6985ec91abce1


Italy has now overtaken South Korea in the number of COVID-19 cases. The Western bias towards wearing masks is causing people to die. WHO should stop lying immediately about the ineffectiveness of masks. Even a homemade mask helps. You don't need to buy masks. You can make your own.


Inside Trump Administration, Debate Raged Over What to Tell Public
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After weeks of conflicting signals from the Trump administration about the coronavirus, the government’s top health officials decided late last month that when President Trump returned from a trip to India, they would tell him they had to be more blunt about the dangers of the outbreak.

If he approved, they would level with the public.

But Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, got a day ahead of the plan. At noon on Feb. 25, just as Mr. Trump was boarding Air Force One in New Delhi for his flight home, she told reporters on a conference call that life in the United States was about to change.

“The disruption to everyday life might be severe,” she said. Schools might have to close, conferences could be canceled, businesses might make employees work from home

All of Dr. Messonnier’s predictions have come to fruition.


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09 Mar 2020, 2:35 am

Coronavirus Updates: U.S. Death Toll Rises; Americans Warned to Avoid Cruises; Senator to Self-Quarantine

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U.S. cases top 545; worldwide cases top 109,000.

Dr. Anthony Fauci said it was possible that regional lockdown could become necessary in the U.S.

Sen. Ted Cruz to self-quarantine after shaking hands with a man who tested positive for coronavirus.


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09 Mar 2020, 6:37 am

Brian Greenberg, co-CEO of Touchfree Concepts, which, according to its website, sells touch-free restroom products and janitorial supplies said that he has sold out of hand sanitizer amid the coronavirus scare.

“We are absolutely being bombarded by phone calls, emails and people trying to place orders,” Greenberg said on Sunday. “We actually ran out of Purell about two-and-a-half weeks ago and we are completely out of every other type of hand sanitizer.”

“GOJO, the maker of Purell, has informed us that they will have more stock at the end of March and early April,” he continued.

Last week, Kroger, one of America's largest supermarket chains, capped the amount of sanitizing and cold and flu products customers can order on its website, due to the high volume of demand amid the coronavirus outbreak.

Greenberg said on Sunday that he recommends people get on the waiting list for hand sanitizer if it’s sold out.

“If you go online, you probably won’t be able to buy the products, it’s just the nature of shopping carts online,” Greenberg noted.

“But what you should do is actually e-mail the companies and let them know that you want to place an order and that if they’re not in stock, that you want to be placed on back order,” he advised. “This will ensure that you get the first batch that comes in. So as soon as it comes in, you don’t have to go to Walmart and try to catch it as soon as they stock it on the shelves.”

Greenberg noted that there is also a shortage of face masks. “We sold out of all the masks in mid-January and specifically the N95 [surgical and face] masks, we could not get,” he said on Sunday. “We contacted 3M, who are the manufacturers of the masks, and they are telling us that they will not be restocking it.”

“I believe they’re under contract with the government right now and they’re filling a massive order, not only 3M, but all the other manufacturers of the mask and they’re going to make sure that they divvy it out to the people that need it the most,” Greenberg added.

Source: Hygiene product supplier sells out of hand sanitizer amid coronavirus scare: 'We have never seen anything close to this'


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09 Mar 2020, 7:25 am

There is now a confirmed case in the next town over from me,ugggg :o


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