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06 Sep 2022, 11:13 pm

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Yeah it's called hearing both sides. What source should I have used for the other side other than Fox?

Maybe try any source that has someone countering the many points in the first video instead of some spin doctor whining about Hillary Clinton?

That might have been productive instead of the lolz you posted instead. Maybe try something from an actual news source instead of faux.

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06 Sep 2022, 11:51 pm

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Yeah it's called hearing both sides. What source should I have used for the other side other than Fox?

Maybe try any source that has someone countering the many points in the first video instead of some spin doctor whining about Hillary Clinton?

That might have been productive instead of the lolz you posted instead. Maybe try something from an actual news source instead of faux.

I see you weren't able to come up with anything better.

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You should make that your avatar.

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06 Sep 2022, 11:56 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Yeah it's called hearing both sides. What source should I have used for the other side other than Fox?

Maybe try any source that has someone countering the many points in the first video instead of some spin doctor whining about Hillary Clinton?

That might have been productive instead of the lolz you posted instead. Maybe try something from an actual news source instead of faux.

I see you weren't able to come up with anything better.

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You should make that your avatar.

I don't seek out right leaning newscasts because they're all garbage. faux, oan, newsmax - all running variations of trump nutswinging interspersed with conspiracy theories, white supremacist drivel replacement theory crap, and q-anon type trash.

Is there an actual right wing news source that's actual news and not just propaganda intended to radicalize and wind people up in preparation for whatever marching orders trump wants to give them?

If so I haven't heard of it yet.

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07 Sep 2022, 3:41 am

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Since conservative legal experts I listen to felt the government case against a special master was spot on, I am guessing that the legal opinion and precedence from this judge are highly flawed, exactly as asserted.

What the whole thing really is is a delaying tactic, keeping the government from reviewing the documents.

Trump is especially masterful at delaying potential legal cases against him (not to say I think there is anything in the documents that would create one, beyond the obvious fact he shouldn't have had the documents, but it is looking like he thinks there might be).

What would Trump gain through causing a relatively brief delay though?

What makes you think it would be relatively brief?

In general, every delay drives up costs and, in government, runs up against pressure to produce results or move on. Kind of a "who is more determined" game.

With Trump, it could delay proceedings until he reclaims the presidency (as he seems to be working to do), allowing him to claim immunity.

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07 Sep 2022, 4:24 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

What would Trump gain through causing a relatively brief delay though?

Offhand it doesn't seem like it would take all that long for someone to review the documents. But then again maybe I'll become one of those months long jobs. I'm pretty sure this would have stretched out past the midterms anyways. And there's still the Jan 6th committees, hearings and investigations. So yeah maybe two more solid years of Trump circus. Then if he gets reelected, it will be a total of 12+ years of Trump circus.

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07 Sep 2022, 4:58 am

Let’s hope Georgia comes through….with an indictment.

No “special master” needed there. The proof is in the Phone Call.

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07 Sep 2022, 6:42 am

Hope so. It will pave the way for DeSantis.

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07 Sep 2022, 7:22 am

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Hope so. It will pave the way for DeSantis.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:55 am

Apparently this is all moot and trump actually did declassify documents:

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07 Sep 2022, 11:49 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Hope so. It will pave the way for DeSantis.

Jingle bells...jingle bells...jingle all the way

That took me a little longer to get than it should have :santa:

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07 Sep 2022, 1:05 pm

Looked up DeSantis - ideologically very strongly conservative but apparently not an everything-violating-reality-denying-idiot. NATO- and Ukraine-related politics would probably continue current Biden's course, I'm glad it's not a divisive topic. Internal matters of USA... not helping with the polarization problem, I'd say, but at least hopefully staying within the civilized set of tools.

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07 Sep 2022, 1:17 pm

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He's more dangerous than trump because he's more competent and gets more of his nasty crap actually accomplished. Some of the worst of his attacks on human rights in Florida are against the LGBT community with his "don't say gay," laws in schools. He's not as crass as trump, but he's still a jerk of epic proportions. Also a massive covid-denier.

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07 Sep 2022, 1:19 pm

“It’s weird that a person who barely reads would even want documents,” Kimmel said. “It’s like finding out your dog collects stamps.”

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Watch the monologue video at the bottom of the article. Plenty of lolz. The best part is the bunch of clips of trump himself spouting off about how people who mishandle classified documents should be penalized. Hypocrite to the max!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jimmy-ki ... d9884b1bb3

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07 Sep 2022, 1:32 pm

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At least not a threat to the very system... I wouldn't like to live under someone like him but bills can be voted back and forth (you have no idea how popular support to abortion rights and LGBT communities raised in Poland since agressive conservatists took power...), while the very system and basic international security need not an idiot in charge.

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07 Sep 2022, 3:46 pm

I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

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07 Sep 2022, 3:58 pm

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I find it a bit interesting how abortion and LGBT seem to be primary forefront paramount issues in liberal politics, out of all the other major issues.

Why wouldn't basic human rights be issues in liberal politics when they're under attack by men who want to control people with vaginas & homo/transphobic bigots?

Seems an appropriate thing for people to be concerned about to me.

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