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While armed soldiers do indeed patrol the streets in Israel, it has been identified as an internet urban myth from a picture circulated on facebook, that teacher's are commonly armed in the classrooms from several reputable sources.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/t ... fault.aspx

http://messiahsmandate.org/are-israeli-teachers-armed/

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/israel

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/israel-firearms.htm

Not sure if you saw my next post on the issue, but my point in the registration of legal guns as opposed to illegal guns, and law enforcement's ability to control that issue per an attempt of comparison like Mexico vs. the UK, or a country like Switzerland vs. South Africa is impossible to determine because of that one factor and many other factors in a country with effective law enforcement vs. one with ineffective law enforcement.

One doesn't see many countries in that longer list provided in your last post with a high rate of guns per 100 individuals, a country with poor law enforcement, and a low rate of homicide per 100,000 people.

At this point in time in the US, homicides and most types of crimes reported have steadily decreased since the early 90's. Rampage killings are the only type of violent crime where there is a recent reported increase. Stricter penalties resulting in greater incarceration rates for gun related crimes and prisons filled to capacity is a major associated reported factor in the decrease of homicides, and other violent crimes.

One only has to see an example of Katrina and New Orleans, to see what can happen in the US when guns and a breakdown of infrastructure and law-enforcement occurs. It required a military response to put things back in order. It's not much different than what one sees in third world countries with similar infrastructure and lack of effective law enforcement.

It is only an illusion that a rampage killer is not going to find a suitable method to kill or a soft target, in the US, regardless of how many people carry concealed weapons or how many people don't. If it's not a school it could be a playground, a public pool, any crowded public beach, or hundreds of other soft targets or methods of killing. If it's not a gun, it could be a car mowing kids down on the sidewalk.

The only thing that it is saving it from happening is the aversion to committing the crime and the consequences of committing the crime. If there is no aversion, and no fear of consequence, all bets are off. Fortunately most people have a strong innate aversion to seek out and randomly kill children, even the hardest of criminals. That is what makes this incident so rare and unusual, as well as disconcerting. Blowing up a school from a distance and facing the children and killing them are two very different things, from the perspective of innate aversion.

My point was just seeing if firearm ownership itself equated to an increase in murders. Which it obviously doesn't.

Yep, better policing, education, and other social factors are what prevents and limits violent crime. Whereas there's nothing you can really do for the person who "snaps" (as I say, luckily they're so rare in comparison to other forms of violence; no matter how traumatic it is for people. But then, philosophically, bad things just might need to happen to balance out life, but that's another discussion and unrelated).

the fact that european nations that happen to have strict gun laws have lower gun deaths then the U.S doesnt mean anything.
1.most murders in america are criminals killing each other with black market guns,however europe has less poverty,socialized medicine.america has fewer safety nets for the poor.so the poorist of the poor in america turn to crime.for instance northern european nations have better drug treatment programs for those who lack money for private rehabs.so poor drug addict turn to armed robbery or selling drugs to support there drug habbit.drug dealers fearing robery from other dealers carry guns to protect there stash or use guns to resolve a drug deal gone bad.

2.so what about these psycho school killers?
europe has better mental health recources for people who need them and america is a nation of ruged individuals who often because of macho pride refuse to seek treatment volutarily

the truth is these gun death statistics mean absolutely nothing

All of which goes to my point that the root problem in the United States isn't firearms regulation, it's firearms fetishisation.

Arm everyone, put them in an arena, get a big bucket of popcorn, and watch the fun begin.

WAY too extreme.

I honestly think that arming teachers will cause more issues than it will solve. I stand by that.

However, I have decided that I am willing to concede to local control and sentiment on issues like this, and as such don't have a strong issue with the NRA position put out today. I may find it distasteful, but they are talking about TRAINED POLICE officers, and they are allowing for schools to opt out. We've had armed police officers at the local schools from time to time, and there are good reasons for it when it occurs.

An incident like the one in CT can never be predicted, and you have to balance the risks against the costs. We live, after all, in a nation that cannot afford all its expenses as it is; new ones need to be carefully considered; taxpayers are not an endless well of funds. Which, in the end, means these decisions are best made locally, based on the viewpoints of those most directly affected.

http://myfox8.com/2012/12/21/four-shot- ... nsylvania/

Malls, Theaters, Elementary Schools, and now a drive by shooting killing a women decorating a church, among several others. All the media attention for weeks on end, multiplied by internet coverage, a new factor that didn't exist in decades before, provides fuel that was never available before, for the potential of copy cat Killers. This is the most random of all potentials, for anyone that drives a vehicle or dares to stand a close proximity to a road.

There is no rhyme and reason to these random rampage killings. Every incident is unique as the mind of each individual that commits the crime. The likelyhood of another elementary school killing is as likely as another random drive by shooting, a mall, a theater, or anything else that exists in the mind of a rampage killer.

In addition the US and China is huge compared to many other countries. The frequency of incidence of this type of issue, by country, is one that is also related to population. But, urban density obviously is not a requirement.

The issue of access, availability, ease of use, and efficiency of the killing device do play a role though. A large factor is that humans in general have a natural aversion to kill other humans, particularly with their bare hands. Any killing device that creates a separation from the actual act of seeing someone suffer reduces that innate aversive factor. The difference between pulling a trigger and strangling someone is huge per the aversion of seeing someone struggle. Stabbing someone isn't much less of a natural aversion.

The most efficient use of the gun as a killing device is to overcome the natural aversion to commit suicide. And per available statistics the most common result of death from having a gun in the home, is suicide not homicide, nor killing someone else in defense of one's property and/or family. That is probably one of the reasons a gun is most often used in rampage killings, as it provides that way out. Stabbing in suicides happen, but are uncommon..

Gun restrictions for those that are mentally unstable, are more effective in saving lives from suicide than homicides, per statistics that exist.

Three words:
Correlation and Causation.
Both directly link to firearms.

if that is the case then that would be a arguement against gun control because there are more easier and removed ways to kill one's self than to kill someone else.like pills or carbonmonoxide

Guns are definitely a highly correlated variable in reported rampage killings to date. But if guns were the major causal factor of rampage killing, most everyone would be in constant danger from a much higher probability of falling victim to a rampage killing, considering there are close to 90 guns per every 100 people in the US. The issue is so complex, that guns are considered the only variable that can possibly be controlled, by psychologists that study this issue. The US is not prepared for that type of gun control, though.

No doubt other methods would be used. But, there isn't an easier method than pulling a trigger. Although, not always successful and obviously not painless.