Men's Rights Group Claims Self-Defense Classes Are Sexist

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No, you are not.

But let's see if billiscool and Dox47 have anything meaningful to say in reply to this statement:


Last time I checked, what Misslizard said ought to be obvious to anyone remotely familiar with the psychological impact of sexual assault.

but dox has mothers and sisters and things, so he knows everything he needs to know about the female perspective. plus, he's a "violence" expert, so we should just trust what he says unquestioningly.

i'd also like to say that i have a father, a step-father, 3 step-brothers, 3 uncles, and numerous male cousins--and i don't for a second think that gives me any sort of idea of what it's like to be a man.

You mean the one I already posted pages ago? About how all things being equal, it's still better to train against what you're expecting to have to fight?

i see, so like, for example, training with humans, to fight other humans? or need it be more specific than that? hehehe

p.s.--your bias is showing might wanna zip that up

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I've not said anything in this thread contradicting that, the closest I've come is voicing concern that a women only class could instill a false sense of security due to not training against the worst case scenario, but I've repeatedly acknowledged the utility of such classes for sensitivity reasons.

could you point out some classes taught by violent rapists, then? i mean, to be the most effective, right?

You're straw-manning skills are as bad as your grammar, not only did I never claim some unquestionable expertise, merely pointing out that I have an unusual knowledge base, I never claimed anything but a modicum of insight into the female perspective, as anyone who bothers to read my post can clearly see.

funny you didn't notice how much my grammar changes when i'm joking around. guess we all can't be as perfect as you, dox.

edit* you may have said you only possess a limited insight into females, but your tone sure indicates you've got us all figured out.

also, attacking my grammatical skills is cute.

are we going to be whipping out IQ scores next? "mine's bigger!!"

Actually, I was attacking your piss poor attempt to misconstrue my statements, I could have picked any number of things that you're bad at for comparison, that one just seemed obvious and self evident.

But why would this be a concern if the class is taught by a woman experienced in combat?
I have female relatives that are experienced,are you saying that because you are a man you know more about self defense?
I agree that a soccer mom would not be a good teacher,or a yoga instructor.

i'm eager to see you dig yourself out of that hole, dox.

you make it way too much fun to poke you

No, what I'm saying is that men are on average stronger than women, stronger in different ways (upper body strength specifically), and are possessed of a different mindset, and that if you wish to counter those things you need to train against them, which requires coed instruction. I'll give you a personal example. I train in a variety of martial arts, and know how to apply a number of different holds and locks that use leverage and body mechanics against the person the lock is being applied to in order to control or hurt them, and practice them extensively in training. I used to work with a guy that wrestled, but also took steroids and was much, much stronger than me. Despite my better technique and practice, I could not get a lock to hold on him even if he let me apply it all the way before he started to resist, because he was literally that much stronger than me; if I'd had to fight him for real, I would have had to use a completely different technique because any kind of grappling simply would not have worked on him. Bringing the example back to women's self defense, if you're practicing your techniques on people who are on average not as strong as who you're afraid of, you're running the risk of getting a false sense of security out of something that may not actually work when it matters. That's all I'm getting at.

So you're admitting that you're trolling me? That's generally frowned upon here.