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18 Feb 2015, 8:19 am

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I was only giving a small example of the errors which happen
Most people translate the same way google translator does, I was reading some quran in english once and it sounded wrong also so many if not most translated quran isn't 5/5 accurate
Speaking of what I hear most modern muslims and many arabs need the quran to be explained to them because they can't understand it well so it has to be explained to them so what about people with different langauges and cultures? I think its so much harder for them to understand it
Thats rare and a hard thing to do
There are explanations sometimes but not always and don't let me get into whether the explanations are accurate or not because thats also a topic

You made some good points, but you're wrong about translation of Quran.
Everyone can translate the Quran as long as they have accurate dictionary of old Arabic words, sure some words don't have equal English vocabularies, but these can be explained with sentences.
Also, no one needs some "special" explanation of imam in order to understand it, Allah sent Quran for everyone, not just for some imam who is "the only one" who can explain it.



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18 Feb 2015, 8:27 am

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Zajie, see what literal understanding of the Quran leads to
http://www.news.com.au/technology/saudi ... 7223268159

This Saudi cleric (an expert on the Quran) actually believes the earth does not rotate around the sun!

That's his opinion, Quran doesn't say that.
And no one is expert in Quran.
Quran is obvious book for those who want to understand it, cleric or not, no special explanation is needed.



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18 Feb 2015, 11:05 am

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Humans and stars are made of atoms. If, for example a star exploded and sent hydrogen out in all directions, and some of it ended up in the vacinity of earth, it could become water or whatever else and could end up in a human body or anything, stardust is a presolar phase which resulted in formation of planets not directly involved with origin of life, we inhale air for generations so obviously we would have it in us. Also what about the theory about life originating from clay hydrogels? So much of science is theories anyways. Nothing is 5/5 accurate if you keep digging in it.

That doesn't matter because nearly everyone on internet exchange ideas or whatever while remaining anonymous.
I was raised half my life in a strict enviroment, still being raised in a strict religious home, going to mosque everyday but I never heard anything about a crusade thing or something of that matter lol, maybe you should've checked what kind of things were behind this person because I wouldn't involve myself with people mentioning those kind of stuff to me and I won't drop down my guard around them, what you mentioned sounds creepy, I was warned about those people by others, I also remember someone (aged 20-30's) once came up to me in a mosque starting a convo like that, I was frightened and nervous lol, I heard about those people, they come to someone who is still 'fresh' in mind like an adolescent or someone new to islam mostly to try and lure them. They might play mind games so that you won't know whats the truth behind them or their intentions, but I won't say all of them are like that, it depends but I always stay alert. I also have so many non muslim friends but I never ask them to convert to islam or open up those type of things to them or something because I think islam is a known religion so anyone intrested in it can in the slightest open the internet and research about it or go to a nearby library or mosque or ask any muslim they know.
Wearing tight jeans is ugly to me as well to be honest, I won't say people shouldn't watch tv but yeah they shouldn't watch bad or disgusting things- I wouldn't watch those things even if someone didn't tell me not to and you don't have to be wearing a cloak, your clothes should be modest and all that only, it doesn't have to be a cloak.
I think people can only study what they like and what they're intrested in no matter how intelligent they are, if that person liked science or was intrested in it he would've studied it because theres nothing in islam against studying things, it actually tells us to study and learn things.

And what does what he said have to do with quran? This is just his 'theory' or observation or something. Something people don't understand- muslims are humans too, they're not islam.
There are so many islamic scholars and all, they all have different explanations to things so before I follow anything I hear I look at the other explanations and research things and reasons myself then I decide what to do and what to follow.

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I think the approved translations can be used.
I didn't say an imam can only understand it but most people don't have that perfect arabic or a good dictionary in it so they need it explained or they need to research it well because its quran and needs good understanding and observation.



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19 Feb 2015, 5:41 am

connectivity wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Zajie, see what literal understanding of the Quran leads to
http://www.news.com.au/technology/saudi ... 7223268159

This Saudi cleric (an expert on the Quran) actually believes the earth does not rotate around the sun!

That's his opinion, Quran doesn't say that.
And no one is expert in Quran.
Quran is obvious book for those who want to understand it, cleric or not, no special explanation is needed.


Fair enough. I have no problem with people reading Quran. Perhaps not a great idea to profess to be a cleric and publicly make stupid statements though.



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19 Feb 2015, 5:53 am

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Humans and stars are made of atoms. If, for example a star exploded and sent hydrogen out in all directions, and some of it ended up in the vacinity of earth, it could become water or whatever else and could end up in a human body or anything, stardust is a presolar phase which resulted in formation of planets not directly involved with origin of life, we inhale air for generations so obviously we would have it in us. Also what about the theory about life originating from clay hydrogels? So much of science is theories anyways. Nothing is 5/5 accurate if you keep digging in it.

That doesn't matter because nearly everyone on internet exchange ideas or whatever while remaining anonymous.
I was raised half my life in a strict enviroment, still being raised in a strict religious home, going to mosque everyday but I never heard anything about a crusade thing or something of that matter lol, maybe you should've checked what kind of things were behind this person because I wouldn't involve myself with people mentioning those kind of stuff to me and I won't drop down my guard around them, what you mentioned sounds creepy, I was warned about those people by others, I also remember someone (aged 20-30's) once came up to me in a mosque starting a convo like that, I was frightened and nervous lol, I heard about those people, they come to someone who is still 'fresh' in mind like an adolescent or someone new to islam mostly to try and lure them. They might play mind games so that you won't know whats the truth behind them or their intentions, but I won't say all of them are like that, it depends but I always stay alert. I also have so many non muslim friends but I never ask them to convert to islam or open up those type of things to them or something because I think islam is a known religion so anyone intrested in it can in the slightest open the internet and research about it or go to a nearby library or mosque or ask any muslim they know.
Wearing tight jeans is ugly to me as well to be honest, I won't say people shouldn't watch tv but yeah they shouldn't watch bad or disgusting things- I wouldn't watch those things even if someone didn't tell me not to and you don't have to be wearing a cloak, your clothes should be modest and all that only, it doesn't have to be a cloak.
I think people can only study what they like and what they're intrested in no matter how intelligent they are, if that person liked science or was intrested in it he would've studied it because theres nothing in islam against studying things, it actually tells us to study and learn things.

And what does what he said have to do with quran? This is just his 'theory' or observation or something. Something people don't understand- muslims are humans too, they're not islam.
There are so many islamic scholars and all, they all have different explanations to things so before I follow anything I hear I look at the other explanations and research things and reasons myself then I decide what to do and what to follow.

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I think the approved translations can be used.
I didn't say an imam can only understand it but most people don't have that perfect arabic or a good dictionary in it so they need it explained or they need to research it well because its quran and needs good understanding and observation.

Well you seem passionate about your beliefs, with regards to my friend (the hajji) he was a remarkable man. Tall handsome, wealthy and intelligent he could have done anything he wanted but chose to be a religious man. Yes I guess it's a bit creepy but families would invite him to give talks on islam in their homes. While I find his lifestyle incompatible I really liked him as a person.



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19 Feb 2015, 2:52 pm

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Humans and stars are made of atoms. If, for example a star exploded and sent hydrogen out in all directions, and some of it ended up in the vacinity of earth, it could become water or whatever else and could end up in a human body or anything, stardust is a presolar phase which resulted in formation of planets not directly involved with origin of life, we inhale air for generations so obviously we would have it in us. Also what about the theory about life originating from clay hydrogels? So much of science is theories anyways. Nothing is 5/5 accurate if you keep digging in it.

That doesn't matter because nearly everyone on internet exchange ideas or whatever while remaining anonymous.
I was raised half my life in a strict enviroment, still being raised in a strict religious home, going to mosque everyday but I never heard anything about a crusade thing or something of that matter lol, maybe you should've checked what kind of things were behind this person because I wouldn't involve myself with people mentioning those kind of stuff to me and I won't drop down my guard around them, what you mentioned sounds creepy, I was warned about those people by others, I also remember someone (aged 20-30's) once came up to me in a mosque starting a convo like that, I was frightened and nervous lol, I heard about those people, they come to someone who is still 'fresh' in mind like an adolescent or someone new to islam mostly to try and lure them. They might play mind games so that you won't know whats the truth behind them or their intentions, but I won't say all of them are like that, it depends but I always stay alert. I also have so many non muslim friends but I never ask them to convert to islam or open up those type of things to them or something because I think islam is a known religion so anyone intrested in it can in the slightest open the internet and research about it or go to a nearby library or mosque or ask any muslim they know.
Wearing tight jeans is ugly to me as well to be honest, I won't say people shouldn't watch tv but yeah they shouldn't watch bad or disgusting things- I wouldn't watch those things even if someone didn't tell me not to and you don't have to be wearing a cloak, your clothes should be modest and all that only, it doesn't have to be a cloak.
I think people can only study what they like and what they're intrested in no matter how intelligent they are, if that person liked science or was intrested in it he would've studied it because theres nothing in islam against studying things, it actually tells us to study and learn things.

And what does what he said have to do with quran? This is just his 'theory' or observation or something. Something people don't understand- muslims are humans too, they're not islam.
There are so many islamic scholars and all, they all have different explanations to things so before I follow anything I hear I look at the other explanations and research things and reasons myself then I decide what to do and what to follow.

connectivity

I think the approved translations can be used.
I didn't say an imam can only understand it but most people don't have that perfect arabic or a good dictionary in it so they need it explained or they need to research it well because its quran and needs good understanding and observation.

Well you seem passionate about your beliefs, with regards to my friend (the hajji) he was a remarkable man. Tall handsome, wealthy and intelligent he could have done anything he wanted but chose to be a religious man. Yes I guess it's a bit creepy but families would invite him to give talks on islam in their homes. While I find his lifestyle incompatible I really liked him as a person.


I know so many people like him, they really don't pay attention to those things.



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19 Feb 2015, 3:59 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Zajie, see what literal understanding of the Quran leads to
http://www.news.com.au/technology/saudi ... 7223268159

This Saudi cleric (an expert on the Quran) actually believes the earth does not rotate around the sun!


Got a few of those nutbars in Christianity, too. :lol:


The Earth revolves around the Sun and rotates about its axis.

The Sun also wobbles about the center of gravity of the solar system which is inside the Sun but not at its center.

Some astronomer in a far away galaxy will see the Sun wobble and conclude it has some massive planets revolving about it

ruveyn



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19 Feb 2015, 4:09 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Zajie, see what literal understanding of the Quran leads to
http://www.news.com.au/technology/saudi ... 7223268159

This Saudi cleric (an expert on the Quran) actually believes the earth does not rotate around the sun!


Got a few of those nutbars in Christianity, too. :lol:


The Earth revolves around the Sun and rotates about its axis.

The Sun also wobbles about the center of gravity of the solar system which is inside the Sun but not at its center.

Some astronomer in a far away galaxy will see the Sun wobble and conclude it has some massive planets revolving about it

ruveyn


By the way ruveyn, I don't see you post as often as you used to. Is there something wrong?



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