Appalled By How Cop Handles Teenage Girl!

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Actually, he did and was right to use force. You are conveniently forgetting the context of the situation. This is not a girl walking in a yard on a calm and peaceful day, its a teenager in the middle of a situation that had been growing out of control as more teens arrive and more fights and shouting matches broke out. How many teens did you see in that video running all over the place? How many did you see walking near the cops even though they were being told (shouted at actually) to walk away or sit. Witnesses have said this girl had been told multiple times to leave or sit and she chose not to.

Its a potential mob situation. If the mob does not follow the instructions of the police then force needs to be used to stop it from escalating out of control. Its a matter of establishing authority over a large group not a few individuals you can ask to gather around in a magic circle to have a heart to heart chat. The worst thing you do when a large crowd is rowdy is start with 'please' because it only takes a single individual among that crowd to challenge your authority and walk over you and the crowd follows suit. On the other hand, if you command authority over that one individual the crowd will follow suit.

Finally, the officers there had been talking to the crowd for more than 15 minutes... it didn't work. They start handcuffing until they run out of handcuffs. That didn't work. They start telling these teens to disperse or sit down and that didn't work. Then for some reason which we do not yet know, this black teen says or does something to the officer as she's surrounded by other teens and he ends up getting her on the ground where she resists and the whole circus happened.

I'm not sure we're watching the same video. I did not see anyone in that video doing anything other than enjoying a beautiful day. Whatever altercation had caused the police to be called had clearly ended. There was no situation other than the police harassing black kids.

A potential mob situation? Again, must be a different video.


Yeah, that didn't work so well either.

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What's also interesting, is when do people allow for trespassing to be deemed as acceptable, and how is one supposed to remove them from your premises when it's unacceptable?

Because, there's far more than "a rough looking police officer manhandling a teen" at stake here when we're dealing with national and worldwide exposure.

Sometimes, you embolden what you weren't intending to.

Quit trying to change the subject. Police brutality is a major problem in this country.

In your eyes, is there ever a story about blacks and the police where it's ever police misconduct. You always come down on the conservative perspective and read all kinds of things into the story to justify your point of view. I also have strong opinions, however, I'm always open to the possibility that I can be wrong. I haven't seen that with you or many conservatives. It'a always one size fits all, regardless of the facts...

But civilian brutality is a bigger one, is it not?

The whole point of this incident was based on civilians trespassing.

You're still trying to change the subject, and NO it's not.

I don't care about skin color, nor about who is involved. Rather, the facts of the case.

That, "shot in the back" one recently looks iffy (depending on the law of that state).

When I type "taken down" I am not talking about being arrested, I am referring to being thrown on the ground and sat on which is what cops typically do to the violent ones who are either running away, hitting or kicking. Ones with weapons tend to get shot, not taken down. She wasn't doing any of that and had no weapon nor anyplace to hide one.

If that one officer hadn't been there, none of us would most likely not know a thing about this. It would be non news. It's only because of him it went viral. Otherwise, it would just be rowdy teens getting picked up by cops, their grumpy parents would have come to the station to pick them up. Common occurrence around here. Once, after curfew, cops rounded up several teens in the City, took them downtown and their parents had to come get them. Cops were determined to enforce the curfew that night and set an example like cops will do. There were a lot of angry parents and kids but no video that went viral, virtually no drama except for a few complaining parents in the newspapers, one claimed she was out with her kid, just had her wait in front of the movie theater after seeing a movie, a few minutes to be picked up, but her kid was taken away anyway even when she tried to tell cops her mom was about to arrive and take her. So you see, yes, it happens. Kids get taken downtown by the cops. Parents go downtown to pick them up. Most the time it's the parents who are angrier than the kids because they have to go get them. Happens nearly everyday and it would have been what happened in this situation. No big deal. This is not the issue. This is about a police officer losing his cool and taking it out on someone who could have been injured over some silly bs that cops have to deal with all the time and, mostly, it happens without incident.




They are just kids. We all were at one time and I doubt any of us had it perfected but none of us deserve to be manhandled over some silly bs that kids will do and most cops and their supervisors agree with this. They just do their jobs the way they are trained. Sure there are some bad kids that need to be put into juvie but none of these kids appeared unusually bad. They were not trying to harm anyone at this point. The only reason the other girls came over is a normal concern for the safety and well being of their friend. That's a completely normal response. It would be abnormal if none of them cared and just kinda shrugged while she screamed and struggled. Kids should be taught to look out for their friends.



Believe me, lady, I went to school with some of the most low down, fiendish, twisted, evil, mean spirited, trashy kids and none of them were black and rarely did anyone lay one had on them. Until you see in person what I had to put up with, and I am sure others besides myself did too, from their own perspective, you simply cannot know. No one seemed to care if they were rude little pricks most the time, which they were. They had the manners of sharks, for the most part. It was just because they were young and we all had freedom of speech so this was the reasoning behind letting them carry on in their rudeness. So you think freedom of speech is not a protected right? You can't apply it to one race and not another. Either you are free to be rude or you aren't! Betcha when a white college kid in a position of authority spouts racism in the public arena you are one to say it's his right to do so and he is protected under the first amendment yet these black kids, at a community pool, where they have no real authority over anyone, should all be thrown on the ground and sat on for doing the same thing? Well let me tell you, there are bratty kids of all races and white kids can outtrash any other race when they want to but I bet you wouldn't advocate they be brutalized just because they do this, would you? Believe me, I have seen my share of horrendously acting white kids so...it's not just a matter of "those black brats." Far from it.
The most you would ever see anyone do to the teenagers I went to school with was suspend them and that wasn't over the crap that came out of their mouths but more because they got into a fight or had something at school they weren't supposed to. If anyone dared complain about what they said, their parents would be up at the school yelping rabidly about the first amendment whenever they found out their precious angel had been reprimanded. So you either argue that you put up with it because of the first amendment, and all this girl in Texas was doing was running her mouth at this point, - remember the cop was all set to let the girls go and as she walked away she smarted off - a first amendment issue, or you deny first amendment rights.
So that's just teenagers being teenagers. Why do you think so many parents complain about their teenagers all the time and feel alienated? Teenage years are the toughest because they are rebelling. They take a lot of patience and understanding. An adult, however, should have some insight into behavior and be able to understand what the teenager, without the age and experience, cannot so we are expected to be the ones who are more rational and better able to guide them into more mature behavior so they outgrow this and become more aware.





Actually one of the black teens in Texas said racism didn't have anything to do with it so it's not a matter of all blacks saying the racist white cops but I do think the residents of that suburb, some of them, do not like black people and want to be around them. It's certainly realistic in this part of the country. So, they wanted the blacks to leave, confronted them, and a scuffle broke out. Then they called the cops and according to the records, members of both races called after the scuffle to report. So it could have actually been the people living in that community who were, in fact, prejudice against blacks and reported to police in a slanted way. Still, at the end of the day, they are just teenagers wanting to swim in a pool. Just normal teenage stuff and yet look at how they are responded to and you wonder why teenagers have issues? These kids weren't even really doing anything horribly bad. They weren't robbing. They weren't looting. They weren't killing. They just wanted to swim on a hot day. What oh what has the world come to????

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So, now imagine if every day, when you went to your job, you had people throwin' rocks / bricks / broken glass, etc. at you; you had people cussin' you, every other minute; you had people resisting arrest----sometimes by pullin' a knife, spittin' in your face----PUNCHING you in the face..... What if every day you went to work, people PROVOKED you, by saying things, like: "Don't be lookin' at ME----I ain't doin' nothin'!"; or, "Why you always wanna go accusin' people of somethin'?"; or, "What, a person can't walk-down the street, now"----in other words, just DARING you to question their actions.....

Again, I've been there. Everyday I had to put up with mountains of other people's stupid, inane crap in school yet there wasn't one thing I could do or it would have come back on me. I could not touch them. Even if I responded to it, I would get accused of participating or provoking so yes I know. I know. You cannot tell me one thing that would shock me about the kind of dumb stuff people say and do. I've been there.
It's a matter of control. I have to be in control of me and others have to be in charge of themselves, too. You got no one to blame but yourself. It's about how you respond or don't play the game to begin with. I am just grateful I don't have to put up with it now. I have my own space and experience peace of mind and calm and for that I am eternally grateful. That's why I say, I would never want careers such as cop or teacher. They have to be in the same situation I was in daily. It would drive me crazy. Been there. Done that. Don't want to go back. Ever.
It's about knowing what it is you can handle and being honest with yourself, also being allowed to say, you know, I need a break from this situation, and let the other cops handle it and not be stigmatized for it.

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Now, let's give it a DIFFERENT demographic..... Let's say ALL of the people saying / doing those things were young WHITE Eminem-lookin' kids----every-single-time, every-single-day----don't you think you would start being, at least, WARY of that type of person?

Not wary, just eternally annoyed but there's not much anyone can do because kids aren't going to stop being kids. They never have before. They won't now. And I was a kid once too, so were you. None of us were perfect though some did strive a bit more than others. "Forgive them for they know not" is my favorite, alleged Jesus quote. I apply it to situations such as these and to myself, too, when needed.

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If this would have been handled differently, the parents would have sat the girl down and told her not to go back to that pool and it would have been just another day in suburban America - a parent parenting a child. Maybe the parent would have disciplined as well? That's what usually happens. Again, it's no big deal. Typical, normal stuff that happens everyday. People want to say even the littlest trifles are such a big deal these days, just kids stuff. My aunt used to live in an apartment with a pool and my friend and I were swimming at it one day. This is when we were teenagers and there were just two of us and we were both white, she has blond hair/blue eyes even. The manager came and told us to get out of that pool and we told her we were visiting my aunt, told her where my aunt lived and her reply was it didn't matter because my aunt wasn't at the pool with us so we got out of the pool and left. No fights erupted, no cops were called. There was really no reason to get onto us and I have no idea why she did. We weren't really doing anything but swimming in the pool and sun bathing on towels. And yet somehow we managed to not get wrestled to the ground and sat on. We even managed to make it back the apartment without getting arrested. Go figure.

How so?

The incident between the officer and teen was due to people trespassing, as that's why the officers were called.

I'm just stating that there's often unattended consequences to these things; the actual incident with the officer has been well discussed by me, and me discussing why I think it wasn't police abuse is just going to be literal copy and past of the same things.

See: Baltimore and NY, and unattended consequences.

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If you actually cared about the facts of the case in all these cases, you would see that police brutality tends to come down disproportionately hard on people of color. But as you say, you don't see skin color, so you're oblivious to this fact.

That "shot in the back" one looks iffy???? In what universe is that not cold blooded murder???

Yes, I don't see skin color.

All people are people to me, and each case needs to be taken individually, as that's how the law treats them.

(You're going to need to show that it comes down disproportionately on African-descended individuals, and that it's actually abuse for the stats outlined.)

Depends on what led up to it.

If he assaulted the officer in a way that made the officer fear for his life, but then fled, then the law might state he's allowed to use lethal force to stop a violent felon from fleeing, for the safety of the public.

It depends on the law.

Of course, if there was no assault, then you have murder by the officer.

You just see the actual shooting in the video, not anything else.