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02 Jun 2016, 9:13 pm

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I don't really care, the president can unilaterally withdraw as it is his right as the commander in chief of the US military. It's not our problem, if Japan wants us to stay(which a lot of them don't) then they can pay up

The president cannot unilaterally withdraw from a treaty and it's obligations, once said treaty and international agreement is ratified by the U.S. Senate.

It's more beneficial to be in Japan and other countries than letting Russia and China take control of those regions.

The U.S. is negotiating a defense treaty with Vietnam and to open a base in Vietnam.
Vietnam is deeply afraid of China and wants the U.S. to help the region push China back.

The U.S. makes more money on trade with most of the countries than it costs to uphold the requirements of those defense treaties.

Many if not the majority of Americans don't want Germany and Japan to rearm and have war powers back, fearing they will start another war against the U.S.


I disagree, lets see them challenge that in court. I don't think that is a fear most Americans have, I think if you did a poll most Americans would prefer that they start defending themselves. We shouldn't be paying for our supposed allies defense, we can't afford it and we have better things to spend our money on.
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Yes they do, they did a poll a few years back.

We easily have the money and more.

If this country can afford to give the Rich big tax cuts and corporations getting huge tax cuts and tax credits outsourcing.

The U.S. Government could easily make $800B+ in more tax revenue by fixing the tax code.
They could make up to another trillion by getting rid of corporate tax cuts and tax credits.
If we stopped the overspending of Military equipment and toilets, we'd save trillions more.
Hell the military spent money on buying $900 hammers and $1,000 toilets.
The military spent $300 Million for one gas station in Afghanistan for some damn reason...

Hell the U.S. Government spent over $1 Trillion and counting on the F-35 Stealth Fighter Jet, which hasn't been deployed yet and in development since the 1990s.
It's the single most expensive military project in history by far...

It barely outperforms the current fighter jets and stealth bombers...

Japan and South Korea already pay part of their defense and other countries pay part of their defense too.
It's literally not free.


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02 Jun 2016, 9:22 pm

I can think of a lot of things we need to spend our money on, regardless of how much tax revenue we can squeeze out, here in America

most Americans would agree if it asked that way to them

South Korea, Japan, and Germany are among the richest countries in the world, there is no reason for us to spend a cent on them

That's Trump's whole point, either we're going to get more money from them or we're going to save a lot of money and not bother. They need us more than we need them.



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02 Jun 2016, 9:40 pm

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I can think of a lot of things we need to spend our money on, regardless of how much tax revenue we can squeeze out, here in America

most Americans would agree if it asked that way to them

South Korea, Japan, and Germany are among the richest countries in the world, there is no reason for us to spend a cent on them

That's Trump's whole point, either we're going to get more money from them or we're going to save a lot of money and not bother. They need us more than we need them.

The tax code is easily broken and riddled with loopholes, which literally costs the U.S. $800B+ in revenue.

South Korea is not that rich, they are in recession and have a rapidly shrinking population, and are struggling to balance their budget.
They barely have a trillion dollar economy and are forced to be stuck in an uneasy truce thanks to what U.S. imposed on them.

They don't even have domestic consumption (like most countries) and are forced to rely on exports.

Japan is not that rich, their economy is struggling, their population is rapidly shrinking, they are having huge issues with other stuff and don't have domestic consumption to drive their economy.
They are one of the largest exporters in the world next to China and Germany.

Germany doesn't get U.S. protection, it gets NATO and EU protection when needed.
Germany isn't all that rich either, they are struggling with paying for 1.5 Million refugees which is due to the U.S. destabilizing Syria.
They also are forced to still pay for issues regarding WWII and pay a large chunk of the EU.
They are broke dealing with issues caused by the U.S. and UK.


You need to learn world history and how badly the U.S. destabilized the world during the cold war... even USSR didn't take it this far...

The U.S. can easily afford to stop being greedy and selfish (much like you) and pay to fix all the worlds problems which are caused by the U.S. in some fashion.


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02 Jun 2016, 9:48 pm

Someone that supposedly lives in Detroit seems more loyal to other countries than our own home, this country is suffering and were 20 trillion dollars in debt

thinks have to change and they will

I know world history fine, i believe in the foreign policy of our founders

peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all; entangling alliances with NONE



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02 Jun 2016, 9:55 pm

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Someone that supposedly lives in Detroit seems more loyal to other countries than our own home, this country is suffering and were 20 trillion dollars in debt

thinks have to change and they will

I know world history fine, i believe in the foreign policy of our founders

peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all; entangling alliances with NONE


You are the terrorist who wants to put more Americans out of work and bankrupt the economy under proven false liberal ideology of investing at home and hiring Americans and giving them benefits, while at the same time regulation Wall Street.

That is all liberalism and socialism, not the unfettered capitalism that built this country into what it is.

You hate capitalism for some damn reason... which you should move to Russia, North Korea, Cuba or China where you can live in countries that follow that liberal ideology...

If Americans wanted that ideology Carter would have won a second term and Gore would have been elected.


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02 Jun 2016, 10:01 pm

xenocity wrote:
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Someone that supposedly lives in Detroit seems more loyal to other countries than our own home, this country is suffering and were 20 trillion dollars in debt

thinks have to change and they will

I know world history fine, i believe in the foreign policy of our founders

peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all; entangling alliances with NONE


You are the terrorist who wants to put more Americans out of work and bankrupt the economy under proven false liberal ideology of investing at home and hiring Americans and giving them benefits, while at the same time regulation Wall Street.

That is all liberalism and socialism, not the unfettered capitalism that built this country into what it is.

You hate capitalism for some damn reason... which you should move to Russia, North Korea, Cuba or China where you can live in countries that follow that liberal ideology...

If Americans wanted that ideology Carter would have won a second term and Gore would have been elected.


I'm a commie terrorist apparently, I can't think of anything funnier I've ever been called

The foreign policy of the US needs to change for both moral and economic reasons, we need to build this country up not the rest of the planet. We need to put America first and I believe that is the opinion of the majority of Americans, we are tired of being sold out by our own government.

Also neoconservativism is a Trotskyite communist inspired ideology that believes in perpetual revolution and to spread ideology at the end of the gun



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02 Jun 2016, 10:13 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Someone that supposedly lives in Detroit seems more loyal to other countries than our own home, this country is suffering and were 20 trillion dollars in debt

thinks have to change and they will

I know world history fine, i believe in the foreign policy of our founders

peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all; entangling alliances with NONE


You are the terrorist who wants to put more Americans out of work and bankrupt the economy under proven false liberal ideology of investing at home and hiring Americans and giving them benefits, while at the same time regulation Wall Street.

That is all liberalism and socialism, not the unfettered capitalism that built this country into what it is.

You hate capitalism for some damn reason... which you should move to Russia, North Korea, Cuba or China where you can live in countries that follow that liberal ideology...

If Americans wanted that ideology Carter would have won a second term and Gore would have been elected.


I'm a commie terrorist apparently, I can't think of anything funnier I've ever been called

The foreign policy of the US needs to change for both moral and economic reasons, we need to build this country up not the rest of the planet. We need to put America first and I believe that is the opinion of the majority of Americans, we are tired of being sold out by our own government.

Also neoconservativism is a Trotskyite communist inspired ideology that believes in perpetual revolution and to spread ideology at the end of the gun

I didn't call you a commie, I said you prefer socialism over capitalism.

Americans want cheaper prices for everything and constantly complain about paying high wages to U.S. workers.

As Reagan most famously stated if the Wealthy and Companies are making more money, they will invest it themselves and pull the country up with them.
It's the corner stone of GOP policy since 1980.

Americans regularly complain about Toyota employees making over $18+ an hour making cars (they aren't unionized).
Americans regularly complain about retailer employees make more than $10 an hour.
American's regularly complain that teachers make $30,000 a year in most states.

Americans regularly believe things are getting more expensive because their fellow Americans are making too much not due to other reasons.

The U.S. economy cannot function by hiring American workers, because companies won't make profit.
The U.S. economy cannot grow if Wall Street is hamstrung with regulations
The U.S. economy cannot profit if they are using American resources.

The U.S. Manufacturing has been growing by it's fastest pace in 40 years for the past 3 years, hiring more American workers, yet the recover is weakening.

The U.S. Technology industry is contracting yet, CA economy is growing
Oil Industry is booming yet Texas is in a full recession.


Reinvestment in America horribly unpopular and goes against the very platform of conservatives and the GOP (including Trump).

It's the platform of Obama and Hillary/Democrats which we've been spending hundreds of Billions in new infrastructure and other projects yet we have nothing to show for it!

So you are a liberal in denial.... Your fellow Conservative would run you out of town for preaching investing in America and hiring American workers, with Fox News filming it live.

I'll let you return to towing the Hillary and Obama line...


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02 Jun 2016, 10:16 pm

You say that but Donald Trump is the nominee of the Republican party and received the most votes in GOP primary history

who are you voting for again?



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02 Jun 2016, 10:23 pm

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You say that but Donald Trump is the nominee of the Republican party and received the most votes in GOP primary history

who are you voting for again?

Nobody yet...
I don't like any of the candidates still running...

Did Trump win the most votes... or did he steal those votes (There is enough irregularities).... ?
No one can prove he won all those votes legit...


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02 Jun 2016, 10:55 pm

xenocity wrote:
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You say that but Donald Trump is the nominee of the Republican party and received the most votes in GOP primary history

who are you voting for again?

Nobody yet...
I don't like any of the candidates still running...

Did Trump win the most votes... or did he steal those votes (There is enough irregularities).... ?
No one can prove he won all those votes legit...


:lol: Aren't you the one that complains about Bernie supporters making claims of massive voter fraud? Now you really are being silly now.

If anybody had to power to rig the process it would be the establishment which they have in large part but Trump has received such a mandate from the voters that he was able to accomplish despite the tsunami of 60,000 negative ads and hundreds of millions of dollars with total opposition from the political and media establishment. Bernie's gave it a good run but he simply is not a strong leader or had the fortitude to do what it took to take out Hillary, the super delegate thing in the Democratic party is totally unfair and part of the reason Bernie wasn't able to overtake Hillary was this persistent repeating of the fact that it was impossible for him to win since these superdelegates had already undemocratically decided Hillary should be the nominee.



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03 Jun 2016, 1:38 am

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I don't really care, the president can unilaterally withdraw as it is his right as the commander in chief of the US military. It's not our problem, if Japan wants us to stay(which a lot of them don't) then they can pay up

The president cannot unilaterally withdraw from a treaty and it's obligations, once said treaty and international agreement is ratified by the U.S. Senate.

It's more beneficial to be in Japan and other countries than letting Russia and China take control of those regions.

The U.S. is negotiating a defense treaty with Vietnam and to open a base in Vietnam.
Vietnam is deeply afraid of China and wants the U.S. to help the region push China back.

The U.S. makes more money on trade with most of the countries than it costs to uphold the requirements of those defense treaties.

Many if not the majority of Americans don't want Germany and Japan to rearm and have war powers back, fearing they will start another war against the U.S.


Personally, I think if most people think modern Germany and Japan could go back to their imperialistic ways, they're more than a little paranoid.


Well to be fair it has only been 71 years...
The scars of WWII are that strong and the war was that destructive for most people, that it left a huge impression.

WWII was so devastating for Europe, Australia, SE Asia, and Japan to the point they are still rebuilding...
The fear is real and justified.


I respectfully disagree, as 71 years is actually a long time. That, and Germany and Japan are two reinvented countries today, bearing little or no resemblance to the nations led by warmongers who had led their grandfathers and great grandfathers into disastrous war. Also, Germany and Japan would lose way too much business capital going on pointless military adventures today.
We are really getting off track from Trump University, which I concede is my fault. I vote we get back to the subject at hand.


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03 Jun 2016, 2:40 am

"Trump University told its recruiters to play on shame, exploit aspirations, and overcome customer objections, by telling prospective students ...."

"Do you like living paycheck to paycheck?"

"Do you enjoy seeing everyone else but yourself in their dream houses and driving their dreams cars with huge checking accounts?"

"Those people saw an opportunity, and didn’t make excuses".

How about you?

STOP being a loser already [mine].

For $34,995 you can attend the "Gold Elite" courses at Trump U.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/davidhalp ... 37880.html



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03 Jun 2016, 6:51 am

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The judge presiding over the Trump University lawsuit is attempting to reseal documents he ordered to be released, claiming he was “mistaken” when he ordered files with personal information to be fully disclosed.

U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel released the documents last Friday, writing that the “defendant became the front-runner for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential race, and has placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue.” Curiel issued the resealing order Tuesday night, far too late to prevent media outlets from obtaining the information.


https://www.scribd.com/doc/314518458/Tr ... -Documents

http://freebeacon.com/politics/judge-at ... documents/

a very biased dishonest judge, just an honest 'mistake' huh?



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05 Jun 2016, 2:52 pm

Did you even read the orders?

There were 52 documents unsealed. There was no opposition whatsoever from either side about unsealing 48 of those documents. If Trump is whining about those 48 documents, then he should have raised objections in a timely manner instead of agreeing that there is nothing there that should not be released.

The four documents remaining were the 2009 and 2010 Playbooks, the Field Team Playbook, and the Sales Team Playbook. The defendant objected to the release claiming them to be trade secrets. The 2010 Playbook had already been published (keep in mind that the publishing of trade secrets will generally remove their status as trade secrets) and and the 2009 Playbook was very similar to the 2010 Playbook. Similarly, the so-called trade secrets in the Field Team Playbook was found to be duplicative of the 2009 and 2010 Playbooks. And in these three Playbooks, the magistrate judge, Judge Gallo, found any material in them to be no more than "arguably" a trade secret.

That leaves the Sales Playbook. Judge Gallo found only four sections to contain trade secrets. But the Defendant's argument as to why those should not be unsealed was insufficient. All they did was assert that they were trade secrets when they apparently needed arguments about why each individual trade secret should not be disclosed.

It looks like Trump and his team dropped the ball there, but the judge found that most of that material was either similar to the 2010 Playbook or was out of date information that could not help any competitor today.

Regarding the resealing of documents, I think that all the documents resealed were from the first 48 documents that neither side objected to releasing. The four playbooks were exhibits 6, 21, 27, and 28 from the Forge Declaration. The exhibits that were resealed were exhibits 2, 25, 26, 33 from the Stragg Declaration and exhibits 14, 15, and 16 from the Forge Declaration.

In other words, Trump was not opposed to the release of any of the exhibits that were resealed. And as I believe I said earlier, my understanding was that the exhibits that were resealed were resealed for the purpose of redacting certain personal information and that they would then be unsealed in the redacted format.

There is no sign whatsoever that Judge Curiel did anything at all dishonest.



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05 Jun 2016, 8:44 pm

From what I can find out, it is the norm for exhibits to be made public after any personal identifying information is redacted. There has to be a very good reason for it to be sealed. This is especially true in trials that draw significant public interest such as this one.

From KAMAKANA v. CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU which was referenced in the judge's decision unsealing the documents:

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Unless a particular court record is one "traditionally kept secret," a "strong presumption in favor of access" is the starting point. Foltz, 331 F.3d at 1135 (citing Hagestad v. Tragesser, 49 F.3d 1430, 1434 (9th Cir.1995)). A party seeking to seal a judicial record then bears the burden of overcoming this strong presumption by meeting the "compelling reasons" standard. Foltz, 331 F.3d at 1135. That is, the party must "articulate[ ] compelling reasons supported by specific factual findings," id. (citing San Jose Mercury News, Inc. v. U.S. Dist. Ct., 187 F.3d 1096, 1102-03 (9th Cir.1999)), that outweigh the general history of access and the public policies favoring disclosure, such as the " 'public interest in understanding the judicial process.' " Hagestad, 49 F.3d at 1434 (quoting EEOC v. Erection Co., 900 F.2d 168, 170 (9th Cir.1990)). In turn, the court must "conscientiously balance[ ] the competing interests" of the public and the party who seeks to keep certain judicial records secret. Foltz, 331 F.3d at 1135. After considering these interests, if the court decides to seal certain judicial records, it must "base its decision on a compelling reason and articulate the factual basis for its ruling, without relying on hypothesis or conjecture." Hagestad, 49 F.3d at 1434 (citing Valley Broadcasting Co. v. U.S. Dist. Ct., 798 F.2d 1289, 1295 (9th Cir.1986)).

In general, "compelling reasons" sufficient to outweigh the public's interest in disclosure and justify sealing court records exist when such "court files might have become a vehicle for improper purposes," such as the use of records to gratify private spite, promote public scandal, circulate libelous statements, or release trade secrets. Nixon, 435 U.S. at 598, 98 S.Ct. 1306; accord Valley Broadcasting Co., 798 F.2d at 1294. The mere fact that the production of records may lead to a litigant's embarrassment, incrimination, or exposure to further litigation will not, without more, compel the court to seal its records. Foltz, 331 F.3d at 1136.

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If this was a dictatorship with secret trials and judicial proceedings, then they would likely be sealed, but ours is such a dictatorship.