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24 Dec 2016, 5:57 pm

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So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.

To be fair Bannon's appointment was post election but shouldn't be a surprise given Trump's open position on many issues which intersect with Briebart...it's interesting that Trump recently has disavowed Richard Spencer despite Bannon giving him an open platform to air their propoganda



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24 Dec 2016, 6:01 pm

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So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.

To be fair Bannon's appointment was post election but shouldn't be a surprise given Trump's open position on many issues which intersect with Briebart...it's interesting that Trump recently has disavowed Richard Spencer despite Bannon giving him an open platform to air their propoganda


Trump contradicting himself?!?!?! NO!! !! :lol:


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24 Dec 2016, 6:11 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.

To be fair Bannon's appointment was post election but shouldn't be a surprise given Trump's open position on many issues which intersect with Briebart...it's interesting that Trump recently has disavowed Richard Spencer despite Bannon giving him an open platform to air their propoganda


Trump contradicting himself?!?!?! NO!! ! ! :lol:


I think he rode the wave of right wing support to get himself elected. Now that he's on the verge of holding power he needs to make himself acceptable to the rank and file of the republican party. This means distancing himself from extremists within his support base.



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25 Dec 2016, 1:09 am

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Or most likely, they could be the far right lunatic fringe.


That's a very vague description of any type of organisation or entity, which brings it back to being nebulous. It reminds me of numerous well known people being accused of being "Illuminati". Illuminati confirmed. Alt-right confirmed. Maybe by using the same form of deduction:



The Alt Right are right wing, fanatical nativists, racists, and Antisemites. Nothing more to understand. To say that there is something more, or more in depth about them, is to give them too much credit.


Okay. I still don't particularly get it.


I know what you're asking for: An email address....a phone number or home address....something that shows the "alt-right" is real.

But there are no such identifiers because the "alt-right" is not real. What it is is THE BOGEY MAN! You've heard of the famous Bogey Man certainly.

This is an exact match for the term Communists as it was used during the Cold War. You're supposed to believe they are out there, lurking in the woods, ready to pounce and defeat the powers of good, decency, and Democracy. It's meant to frighten little children and make them go to bed on time...very childish really.

(And you'll note the similarities in that The Bogey Man doesn't have a phone number either :D ).



This is practically word for word what I have said in other threads. And then I'm told since I live in a teenage bubble I don't know what I'm talking about. Even though it turns out I say the same exact things as someone who's 73.



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25 Dec 2016, 1:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Or most likely, they could be the far right lunatic fringe.


That's a very vague description of any type of organisation or entity, which brings it back to being nebulous. It reminds me of numerous well known people being accused of being "Illuminati". Illuminati confirmed. Alt-right confirmed. Maybe by using the same form of deduction:



The Alt Right are right wing, fanatical nativists, racists, and Antisemites. Nothing more to understand. To say that there is something more, or more in depth about them, is to give them too much credit.


Okay. I still don't particularly get it.


I know what you're asking for: An email address....a phone number or home address....something that shows the "alt-right" is real.

But there are no such identifiers because the "alt-right" is not real. What it is is THE BOGEY MAN! You've heard of the famous Bogey Man certainly.

This is an exact match for the term Communists as it was used during the Cold War. You're supposed to believe they are out there, lurking in the woods, ready to pounce and defeat the powers of good, decency, and Democracy. It's meant to frighten little children and make them go to bed on time...very childish really.

(And you'll note the similarities in that The Bogey Man doesn't have a phone number either :D ).


So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.


Ah some names. Okay so these two people and this organization are members of the alt-right. The rest of the cesspool (as opposed to the swamp) remains nebulous. But I have three names to look up (if I manage to get around to it). And while I'm at it, I'll look up the notorious people and organizations associated with Hillary Clinton. Because I'm quite certain such a list must exist.



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25 Dec 2016, 1:28 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Or most likely, they could be the far right lunatic fringe.


That's a very vague description of any type of organisation or entity, which brings it back to being nebulous. It reminds me of numerous well known people being accused of being "Illuminati". Illuminati confirmed. Alt-right confirmed. Maybe by using the same form of deduction:



The Alt Right are right wing, fanatical nativists, racists, and Antisemites. Nothing more to understand. To say that there is something more, or more in depth about them, is to give them too much credit.


Okay. I still don't particularly get it.


I know what you're asking for: An email address....a phone number or home address....something that shows the "alt-right" is real.

But there are no such identifiers because the "alt-right" is not real. What it is is THE BOGEY MAN! You've heard of the famous Bogey Man certainly.

This is an exact match for the term Communists as it was used during the Cold War. You're supposed to believe they are out there, lurking in the woods, ready to pounce and defeat the powers of good, decency, and Democracy. It's meant to frighten little children and make them go to bed on time...very childish really.

(And you'll note the similarities in that The Bogey Man doesn't have a phone number either :D ).


So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.


Ah some names. Okay so these two people and this organization are members of the alt-right. The rest of the cesspool (as opposed to the swamp) remains nebulous. But I have three names to look up (if I manage to get around to it). And while I'm at it, I'll look up the notorious people and organizations associated with Hillary Clinton. Because I'm quite certain such a list must exist.


While you're at it, look up The Daily Stormer, as they and their readers are all Alt Right, and are ferociously racist.
If the Alt Right was just a few people, and a couple organizations, then Trump wouldn't have courted them, and wouldn't have made Steve Bannon his chief of strategy. Denying the Alt Right is real is hardly any better than defending them. It's like when people used to deny the Mafia was real.


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25 Dec 2016, 2:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Or most likely, they could be the far right lunatic fringe.


That's a very vague description of any type of organisation or entity, which brings it back to being nebulous. It reminds me of numerous well known people being accused of being "Illuminati". Illuminati confirmed. Alt-right confirmed. Maybe by using the same form of deduction:



The Alt Right are right wing, fanatical nativists, racists, and Antisemites. Nothing more to understand. To say that there is something more, or more in depth about them, is to give them too much credit.


Okay. I still don't particularly get it.


I know what you're asking for: An email address....a phone number or home address....something that shows the "alt-right" is real.

But there are no such identifiers because the "alt-right" is not real. What it is is THE BOGEY MAN! You've heard of the famous Bogey Man certainly.

This is an exact match for the term Communists as it was used during the Cold War. You're supposed to believe they are out there, lurking in the woods, ready to pounce and defeat the powers of good, decency, and Democracy. It's meant to frighten little children and make them go to bed on time...very childish really.

(And you'll note the similarities in that The Bogey Man doesn't have a phone number either :D ).


So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.


Ah some names. Okay so these two people and this organization are members of the alt-right. The rest of the cesspool (as opposed to the swamp) remains nebulous. But I have three names to look up (if I manage to get around to it). And while I'm at it, I'll look up the notorious people and organizations associated with Hillary Clinton. Because I'm quite certain such a list must exist.


While you're at it, look up The Daily Stormer, as they and their readers are all Alt Right, and are ferociously racist.
If the Alt Right was just a few people, and a couple organizations, then Trump wouldn't have courted them, and wouldn't have made Steve Bannon his chief of strategy. Denying the Alt Right is real is hardly any better than defending them. It's like when people used to deny the Mafia was real.


What I was saying is there's some names that are definitely alt-right, and the rest are unclear along with their numbers. Actually that's not what I myself only am saying, that's the description I read of the alt-right. Now is Trump himself alt-right or is just courting them? And are the alt-right also known for making death threats like the ctrl-left?



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25 Dec 2016, 2:29 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Or most likely, they could be the far right lunatic fringe.


That's a very vague description of any type of organisation or entity, which brings it back to being nebulous. It reminds me of numerous well known people being accused of being "Illuminati". Illuminati confirmed. Alt-right confirmed. Maybe by using the same form of deduction:



The Alt Right are right wing, fanatical nativists, racists, and Antisemites. Nothing more to understand. To say that there is something more, or more in depth about them, is to give them too much credit.


Okay. I still don't particularly get it.


I know what you're asking for: An email address....a phone number or home address....something that shows the "alt-right" is real.

But there are no such identifiers because the "alt-right" is not real. What it is is THE BOGEY MAN! You've heard of the famous Bogey Man certainly.

This is an exact match for the term Communists as it was used during the Cold War. You're supposed to believe they are out there, lurking in the woods, ready to pounce and defeat the powers of good, decency, and Democracy. It's meant to frighten little children and make them go to bed on time...very childish really.

(And you'll note the similarities in that The Bogey Man doesn't have a phone number either :D ).


So Spencer, Bannon, Breitbart and the Heritage Foundation, and the rest of that cesspool of hate don't really exist? It's going to be a real surprise to Trump when Bannon's White House office remains empty, as the man, by what you saying, isn't real.


Ah some names. Okay so these two people and this organization are members of the alt-right. The rest of the cesspool (as opposed to the swamp) remains nebulous. But I have three names to look up (if I manage to get around to it). And while I'm at it, I'll look up the notorious people and organizations associated with Hillary Clinton. Because I'm quite certain such a list must exist.


While you're at it, look up The Daily Stormer, as they and their readers are all Alt Right, and are ferociously racist.
If the Alt Right was just a few people, and a couple organizations, then Trump wouldn't have courted them, and wouldn't have made Steve Bannon his chief of strategy. Denying the Alt Right is real is hardly any better than defending them. It's like when people used to deny the Mafia was real.


What I was saying is there's some names that are definitely alt-right, and the rest are unclear along with their numbers. Actually that's not what I myself only am saying, that's the description I read of the alt-right. Now is Trump himself alt-right or is just courting them? And are the alt-right also known for making death threats like the ctrl-left?


The Alt Right types attacking the Jewish community in Whitefish, Montana, definitely are making threats against their livelihoods and lives, after the mother of Alt Right leader Richard Spencer got involved with a war of words with a Jewish group.


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25 Dec 2016, 11:09 am

Richard Spencer and imaginary 'alt-right nazis' were willed into existence by the left wing media, nobody would seriously know who the guy was if it weren't for their promotion. Similarly, they also dragged David Duke out of obscurity to give him a new platform so the MSM can attempt associate him with Trump. You're not going to find Spencer or Duke on Breitbart. Breitbart is the new boogeyman for the left, having actually read the site since Andrew Breitbart was still alive I can tell you first hand that the site isn't some new phenomena, Breitbart is just a partisan news source like Salon or the Huffington Post and it has nothing to do with white nationalism or anything like that .



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25 Dec 2016, 11:17 am

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Richard Spencer and imaginary 'alt-right nazis' were willed into existence by the left wing media, nobody would seriously know who the guy was if it weren't for their promotion. Similarly, they also dragged David Duke out of obscurity to give him a new platform so the MSM can attempt associate him with Trump. You're not going to find Spencer or Duke on Breitbart. Breitbart is the new boogeyman for the left, having actually read the site since Andrew Breitbart was still alive I can tell you first hand that the site isn't some new phenomena, Breitbart is just a partisan news source like Salon or the Huffington Post and it has nothing to do with white nationalism or anything like that .


I figure most of this stuff is over exaggerated. I mean I've seen how carried away they get and how they take things to extremes like all the death threats and assassination threats.



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25 Dec 2016, 1:24 pm

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Richard Spencer and imaginary 'alt-right nazis' were willed into existence by the left wing media, nobody would seriously know who the guy was if it weren't for their promotion. Similarly, they also dragged David Duke out of obscurity to give him a new platform so the MSM can attempt associate him with Trump. You're not going to find Spencer or Duke on Breitbart. Breitbart is the new boogeyman for the left, having actually read the site since Andrew Breitbart was still alive I can tell you first hand that the site isn't some new phenomena, Breitbart is just a partisan news source like Salon or the Huffington Post and it has nothing to do with white nationalism or anything like that .


The media didn't drag Spencer or Duke out of obscurity, they made themselves available to the public. Were they supposed to be ignored, after they had endorsed an American Presidential candidate?
And yes, Breitbart isn't anything new. But since the Jewish Andrew Breitbart died, Steve Bannon, who is known to have expressed racist and Antisemitic notions, took over and made Breitbart a soapbox for the Alt Right.
And Breitbart is just a partisan news source, no different from Huffington or Salon? I don't recall them, or even other conservative sources having an all black crime section, or doesn't publish writers from racist movements.
As I said, denying the Alt Right is just as bad as defending them.


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25 Dec 2016, 6:55 pm

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] Breitbart is just a partisan news source like Salon or the Huffington Post and it has nothing to do with white nationalism or anything like that .

I think Obama once said "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig,"
Attempts by "Trumpites" to repackage Breitbart news as credible actually defies the evidence
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/n ... rts-racism



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25 Dec 2016, 8:27 pm

There appears to be a good deal of exaggeration involved.



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25 Dec 2016, 10:04 pm

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There appears to be a good deal of exaggeration involved.

Yes indeed..check out a sample of Briebart headlines
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/media/b ... headlines/



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25 Dec 2016, 11:25 pm

I'd like to read the articles that go with those headlines, rather than take them at face value. And why does it seem okay to make fun of Caitlyn Jenner or the disabled and other stuff liberals usually protest, when it's done by liberal sources like South Park?

I mean what would be the reaction of this depiction of Caitlyn Jenner originated from Briebart?:

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25 Dec 2016, 11:40 pm

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I'd like to read the articles that go with those headlines, rather than take them at face value. And why does it seem okay to make fun of Catlyn Jenner or the disabled and other stuf when it's done by liberal sources like South Park?


Google them, the headlines, they take you directly to the articles. They're just as bad as their headlines. None that I looked at had any sources beyond maybe blogs.

I'm not a fan of South Park, but they're a satirical comedy show, not a news source. It's like comparing apples to oranges.