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04 Jan 2017, 11:42 am

EzraS wrote:
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I'd expect intelligence operations being run out of some compound like these than out of the Russian embassy.
And you can ask the Ukrainians and the people of the Baltic States how "alleged" that hacking war was.


I'd expect Russian intelligence to run something more sophisticated than a phishing scam a high school student could pull off from anywhere.

And I take it that the hacking war involving the Ukrainians people of the Baltic States was considerably more sophisticated than the world's oldest and most basic phishing scam.

I mean that's a good point. Since Russia has a history of cyber warfare, did the email Podesta fall for fit the m/o of a Russian intelligence operation carried out by Putin himself?


That all remains to be seen. That's what Obama's investigation is for.
And if there is nothing to this, why is Trump so eager for everyone to forget it?


Exactly, it remains to be seen. As in there's no proof. Which is what I have been saying all along. So US policy under Obama is to kick a bunch of Russian families out of their homes at Christmas time as payback over something that remains to be seen. And I heard Trump said he was going to make an official statement regarding the hacking and sanctions today or Wednesday, so that doesn't sound like he dodging the subject. And he already said, "it could have been Russia". He's certainly going to have to deal with the sanction mess when he's president, which I'm sure was part of Obama's obstruction plan.


Again, our intelligence agencies say Russian hackers were involved in a coordinated effort. I am going to trust them long before I trust Trump.


That means the plan is working. On some at least.


Or maybe it means Trump is too shame faced to admit he got help from Putin.


Or maybe it means Obama is too full of crap to produce any non-anonymous sources or any solid evidence.


Even congressional Republicans know Obama is right about this.


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04 Jan 2017, 8:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'd expect intelligence operations being run out of some compound like these than out of the Russian embassy.
And you can ask the Ukrainians and the people of the Baltic States how "alleged" that hacking war was.


I'd expect Russian intelligence to run something more sophisticated than a phishing scam a high school student could pull off from anywhere.

And I take it that the hacking war involving the Ukrainians people of the Baltic States was considerably more sophisticated than the world's oldest and most basic phishing scam.

I mean that's a good point. Since Russia has a history of cyber warfare, did the email Podesta fall for fit the m/o of a Russian intelligence operation carried out by Putin himself?


That all remains to be seen. That's what Obama's investigation is for.
And if there is nothing to this, why is Trump so eager for everyone to forget it?


Exactly, it remains to be seen. As in there's no proof. Which is what I have been saying all along. So US policy under Obama is to kick a bunch of Russian families out of their homes at Christmas time as payback over something that remains to be seen. And I heard Trump said he was going to make an official statement regarding the hacking and sanctions today or Wednesday, so that doesn't sound like he dodging the subject. And he already said, "it could have been Russia". He's certainly going to have to deal with the sanction mess when he's president, which I'm sure was part of Obama's obstruction plan.


Again, our intelligence agencies say Russian hackers were involved in a coordinated effort. I am going to trust them long before I trust Trump.


That means the plan is working. On some at least.


Or maybe it means Trump is too shame faced to admit he got help from Putin.


Or maybe it means Obama is too full of crap to produce any non-anonymous sources or any solid evidence.


Even congressional Republicans know Obama is right about this.


Then I'd have to suppose they have been presented with more compelling evidence than has been presented publicly so far. But why would Trump need to elicit help from Putin to do what could have been done by a 14 year old kid? If that's what you were saying.



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04 Jan 2017, 11:37 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'd expect intelligence operations being run out of some compound like these than out of the Russian embassy.
And you can ask the Ukrainians and the people of the Baltic States how "alleged" that hacking war was.


I'd expect Russian intelligence to run something more sophisticated than a phishing scam a high school student could pull off from anywhere.

And I take it that the hacking war involving the Ukrainians people of the Baltic States was considerably more sophisticated than the world's oldest and most basic phishing scam.

I mean that's a good point. Since Russia has a history of cyber warfare, did the email Podesta fall for fit the m/o of a Russian intelligence operation carried out by Putin himself?


That all remains to be seen. That's what Obama's investigation is for.
And if there is nothing to this, why is Trump so eager for everyone to forget it?


Exactly, it remains to be seen. As in there's no proof. Which is what I have been saying all along. So US policy under Obama is to kick a bunch of Russian families out of their homes at Christmas time as payback over something that remains to be seen. And I heard Trump said he was going to make an official statement regarding the hacking and sanctions today or Wednesday, so that doesn't sound like he dodging the subject. And he already said, "it could have been Russia". He's certainly going to have to deal with the sanction mess when he's president, which I'm sure was part of Obama's obstruction plan.


Again, our intelligence agencies say Russian hackers were involved in a coordinated effort. I am going to trust them long before I trust Trump.


That means the plan is working. On some at least.


Or maybe it means Trump is too shame faced to admit he got help from Putin.


Or maybe it means Obama is too full of crap to produce any non-anonymous sources or any solid evidence.


Even congressional Republicans know Obama is right about this.


Then I'd have to suppose they have been presented with more compelling evidence than has been presented publicly so far. But why would Trump need to elicit help from Putin to do what could have been done by a 14 year old kid? If that's what you were saying.


Retired CIA agent, Bob Barr, who now works for CNN, today said that Trump's charge that a fourteen year old could have hacked Podesta and the DNC is a load of crap, but that it was in fact a very professional operation, which he expects from the Russians.
Julian Assange, by the way, has worked for the state controlled news network in Russia. So much for that fraud being an opponent of autocracy.


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05 Jan 2017, 3:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'd expect intelligence operations being run out of some compound like these than out of the Russian embassy.
And you can ask the Ukrainians and the people of the Baltic States how "alleged" that hacking war was.


I'd expect Russian intelligence to run something more sophisticated than a phishing scam a high school student could pull off from anywhere.

And I take it that the hacking war involving the Ukrainians people of the Baltic States was considerably more sophisticated than the world's oldest and most basic phishing scam.

I mean that's a good point. Since Russia has a history of cyber warfare, did the email Podesta fall for fit the m/o of a Russian intelligence operation carried out by Putin himself?


That all remains to be seen. That's what Obama's investigation is for.
And if there is nothing to this, why is Trump so eager for everyone to forget it?


Exactly, it remains to be seen. As in there's no proof. Which is what I have been saying all along. So US policy under Obama is to kick a bunch of Russian families out of their homes at Christmas time as payback over something that remains to be seen. And I heard Trump said he was going to make an official statement regarding the hacking and sanctions today or Wednesday, so that doesn't sound like he dodging the subject. And he already said, "it could have been Russia". He's certainly going to have to deal with the sanction mess when he's president, which I'm sure was part of Obama's obstruction plan.


Again, our intelligence agencies say Russian hackers were involved in a coordinated effort. I am going to trust them long before I trust Trump.


That means the plan is working. On some at least.


Or maybe it means Trump is too shame faced to admit he got help from Putin.


Or maybe it means Obama is too full of crap to produce any non-anonymous sources or any solid evidence.


Even congressional Republicans know Obama is right about this.


Then I'd have to suppose they have been presented with more compelling evidence than has been presented publicly so far. But why would Trump need to elicit help from Putin to do what could have been done by a 14 year old kid? If that's what you were saying.


Retired CIA agent, Bob Barr, who now works for CNN, today said that Trump's charge that a fourteen year old could have hacked Podesta and the DNC is a load of crap, but that it was in fact a very professional operation, which he expects from the Russians.
Julian Assange, by the way, has worked for the state controlled news network in Russia. So much for that fraud being an opponent of autocracy.


I heard Assange say 14 year old kid and Trump saying it could be someone in a bedroom somewhere (or something like that). But I myself had drawn a similar conclusion on my own, based again on available information. And so far the only CIA agent saying anything is retired and being paid by CNN? Interesting.

So what's supposed to be the end result of this, that Trump collaborated with Putin to win the election, so he should be disqualified from being inaugurated?



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05 Jan 2017, 4:11 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'd expect intelligence operations being run out of some compound like these than out of the Russian embassy.
And you can ask the Ukrainians and the people of the Baltic States how "alleged" that hacking war was.


I'd expect Russian intelligence to run something more sophisticated than a phishing scam a high school student could pull off from anywhere.

And I take it that the hacking war involving the Ukrainians people of the Baltic States was considerably more sophisticated than the world's oldest and most basic phishing scam.

I mean that's a good point. Since Russia has a history of cyber warfare, did the email Podesta fall for fit the m/o of a Russian intelligence operation carried out by Putin himself?


That all remains to be seen. That's what Obama's investigation is for.
And if there is nothing to this, why is Trump so eager for everyone to forget it?


Exactly, it remains to be seen. As in there's no proof. Which is what I have been saying all along. So US policy under Obama is to kick a bunch of Russian families out of their homes at Christmas time as payback over something that remains to be seen. And I heard Trump said he was going to make an official statement regarding the hacking and sanctions today or Wednesday, so that doesn't sound like he dodging the subject. And he already said, "it could have been Russia". He's certainly going to have to deal with the sanction mess when he's president, which I'm sure was part of Obama's obstruction plan.


Again, our intelligence agencies say Russian hackers were involved in a coordinated effort. I am going to trust them long before I trust Trump.


That means the plan is working. On some at least.


Or maybe it means Trump is too shame faced to admit he got help from Putin.


Or maybe it means Obama is too full of crap to produce any non-anonymous sources or any solid evidence.


Even congressional Republicans know Obama is right about this.


Then I'd have to suppose they have been presented with more compelling evidence than has been presented publicly so far. But why would Trump need to elicit help from Putin to do what could have been done by a 14 year old kid? If that's what you were saying.


Retired CIA agent, Bob Barr, who now works for CNN, today said that Trump's charge that a fourteen year old could have hacked Podesta and the DNC is a load of crap, but that it was in fact a very professional operation, which he expects from the Russians.
Julian Assange, by the way, has worked for the state controlled news network in Russia. So much for that fraud being an opponent of autocracy.


I heard Assange say 14 year old kid and Trump saying it could be someone in a bedroom somewhere (or something like that). But I myself had drawn a similar conclusion on my own, based again on available information. And so far the only CIA agent saying anything is retired and being paid by CNN? Interesting.

So what's supposed to be the end result of this, that Trump collaborated with Putin to win the election, so he should be disqualified from being inaugurated?


Not just Bob Barr, but also plenty of currently serving CIA agents. Those same guys a lot of Republican representatives are calling heroes and patriots who Trump should be listening to, instead of persons who are morally challenged, like Putin and Assange, or those with the brains of fruit flies, like Sarah Palin.
No, I shouldn't have written that last - - it's an insult to fruit flies.


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05 Jan 2017, 4:24 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I heard Assange say 14 year old kid and Trump saying it could be someone in a bedroom somewhere (or something like that). But I myself had drawn a similar conclusion on my own, based again on available information. And so far the only CIA agent saying anything is retired and being paid by CNN? Interesting.

So what's supposed to be the end result of this, that Trump collaborated with Putin to win the election, so he should be disqualified from being inaugurated?


Not just Bob Barr, but also plenty of currently serving CIA agents. Those same guys a lot of Republican representatives are calling heroes and patriots who Trump should be listening to, instead of persons who are morally challenged, like Putin and Assange, or those with the brains of fruit flies, like Sarah Palin.
No, I shouldn't have written that last - - it's an insult to fruit flies.


So far Bob Barr is the only name I've heard connected with the CIA. The rest have just been referred to as CIA agents, or anonymous CIA agents. I get the feeling Trump came to his conclusions on his own the same as I did. It could have been anyone who emailed a phishing scam link to Podesta, that's pretty easy to figure out. I've gotten 3 similar phishing scams within the last month and I'm sure you get them all the time too, so everybody knows about these things from personal experience.

But what I'm wondering is, what's supposed to be the end result of all this? What's being hoped for?



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05 Jan 2017, 4:33 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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I heard Assange say 14 year old kid and Trump saying it could be someone in a bedroom somewhere (or something like that). But I myself had drawn a similar conclusion on my own, based again on available information. And so far the only CIA agent saying anything is retired and being paid by CNN? Interesting.

So what's supposed to be the end result of this, that Trump collaborated with Putin to win the election, so he should be disqualified from being inaugurated?


Not just Bob Barr, but also plenty of currently serving CIA agents. Those same guys a lot of Republican representatives are calling heroes and patriots who Trump should be listening to, instead of persons who are morally challenged, like Putin and Assange, or those with the brains of fruit flies, like Sarah Palin.
No, I shouldn't have written that last - - it's an insult to fruit flies.


So far Bob Barr is the only name I've heard connected with the CIA. The rest have just been referred to as CIA agents, or anonymous CIA agents. I get the feeling Trump came to his conclusions on his own the same as I did. It could have been anyone who emailed a phishing scam link to Podesta, that's pretty easy to figure out. I've gotten 3 similar phishing scams within the last month and I'm sure you get them all the time too, so everybody knows about these things from personal experience.

But what I'm wondering is, what's supposed to be the end result of all this? What's being hoped for?


The end result is to stop any further Russian interference with, or influence on, the United States government in the next administration.
And also, I admit I must make a correction. That retired CIA man is Bob Baer. Bob Barr is a right wing a$$hole.


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05 Jan 2017, 4:49 am

There wasn't anything sophisticated at all about the alleged "hacks", yes a 14 year old could of done it easily. I'll take Julian Assange's word as someone that knows technology over unnamed sources and media talking heads that specialize in warmongering. The CIA should not be trusted ever, they are shrewd political players and liars. Bob Barr is not a credible source of anything. Unless the person was a rank amateur they wouldn't be able to trace this, I don't think it is possible retroactively, it is very simple to not only cover your tracks but to make them look like they came from someone else too.

John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.



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05 Jan 2017, 5:23 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I heard Assange say 14 year old kid and Trump saying it could be someone in a bedroom somewhere (or something like that). But I myself had drawn a similar conclusion on my own, based again on available information. And so far the only CIA agent saying anything is retired and being paid by CNN? Interesting.

So what's supposed to be the end result of this, that Trump collaborated with Putin to win the election, so he should be disqualified from being inaugurated?


Not just Bob Barr, but also plenty of currently serving CIA agents. Those same guys a lot of Republican representatives are calling heroes and patriots who Trump should be listening to, instead of persons who are morally challenged, like Putin and Assange, or those with the brains of fruit flies, like Sarah Palin.
No, I shouldn't have written that last - - it's an insult to fruit flies.


So far Bob Barr is the only name I've heard connected with the CIA. The rest have just been referred to as CIA agents, or anonymous CIA agents. I get the feeling Trump came to his conclusions on his own the same as I did. It could have been anyone who emailed a phishing scam link to Podesta, that's pretty easy to figure out. I've gotten 3 similar phishing scams within the last month and I'm sure you get them all the time too, so everybody knows about these things from personal experience.

But what I'm wondering is, what's supposed to be the end result of all this? What's being hoped for?


The end result is to stop any further Russian interference with, or influence on, the United States government in the next administration.
And also, I admit I must make a correction. That retired CIA man is Bob Baer. Bob Barr is a right wing a$$hole.


Okay I was just wondering if this was a continuation of the attempts at keeping Trump out of the White House.

I have no trouble believing that Putin did not like Clinton and is capable of using her's and DNC emails against her. But the way the investigation has played out has seemed fishy to me from the very beginning. And I would be saying the same if roles were reversed and it was Clinton instead. Just I think the whole FBI / James Comey email investigation was fishy, especially considering the timing of it all. And now it seems to have gotten swept under the rug. I smell very stinky fishy stuff from our own USA side of things regarding election tampering.



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There wasn't anything sophisticated at all about the alleged "hacks", yes a 14 year old could of done it easily. I'll take Julian Assange's word as someone that knows technology over unnamed sources and media talking heads that specialize in warmongering. The CIA should not be trusted ever, they are shrewd political players and liars. Bob Barr is not a credible source of anything. Unless the person was a rank amateur they wouldn't be able to trace this, I don't think it is possible retroactively, it is very simple to not only cover your tracks but to make them look like they came from someone else too.

John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.


Like him or not, Julian Assange is obviously a foremost expert when it comes to WikiLeaks. Anonymous CIA, CIA/CNN, NBC looks a lot less reliable and a lot more convoluted.

Even the events regarding Podesta and the Clinton tech people seems very fishy. Is someone who's achieved John Podesta's position, really supposed to be that stupid and gullible?

The whole thing is more fishy than Pike Place Market.



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Baby boomers in general can be that clueless about computers. So I can see Podesta being that clueless. Hillary no way. She is always described as super cautious.


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Jacoby wrote:
There wasn't anything sophisticated at all about the alleged "hacks", yes a 14 year old could of done it easily. I'll take Julian Assange's word as someone that knows technology over unnamed sources and media talking heads that specialize in warmongering. The CIA should not be trusted ever, they are shrewd political players and liars. Bob Barr is not a credible source of anything. Unless the person was a rank amateur they wouldn't be able to trace this, I don't think it is possible retroactively, it is very simple to not only cover your tracks but to make them look like they came from someone else too.

John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.


Well, if you watch CNN this morning, you'll find that very issue is being discussed. Can the CIA be trusted? Not always, no, but Assange and Putin have far greater trust issues. Trump had originally said Assange should have been executed, till wh***y started covering for him, while Putin has a long history of interfering with the elections of foreign countries he's hostile to. Plus, Assange has worked with the state run Russian news service, making their collusion all the more likely. What Trump's forgetting is, as President he will need US intelligence, but his rejection of their findings on this matter will at the very least lead to a frosty relationship in the next four years.
Have you considered the possibility that you support Trump on this matter simply because you support Trump in general?


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05 Jan 2017, 3:34 pm

One of the first impressions that I get from politicized businesses is that I look white, muscular, and butch, so I'm going to get bad service. These people prepare your food.

I imagine characters from the Wizard of Oz and that bar, on Star Wars, without having a mental break. Maybe, I'm the only person, in the whole store, who remembers Lwaxana Troi and the freethinkers, in the holodeck. :nerdy:

When I am standing up straight, in a black, Carhart shirt, blue jeans, and clean workboots, I don't find it appropriate, to be trailed by a black, lesbian manager, with a purple mohawk. Yes, that happened. In the foreground, elderly people have asked me for help. In the background, I hear heterophobic comments.

I once saw a steampunk girl, online, thought she was interesting and smart.

But, I don't think sjws should be building airplanes and bridges.

My problem is with radicalism, not being offbeat or artistic.



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Have you considered the possibility that you support Trump on this matter simply because you support Trump in general?


I think that goes both ways when someone is staunchly for or against something.



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Have you considered the possibility that you support Trump on this matter simply because you support Trump in general?


I think that goes both ways when someone is staunchly for or against something.


That is true.


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