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07 Mar 2019, 3:15 pm

If I was a farmer who discovered a crop circle in his field, I'd be pissed off about all that destroyed wheat.


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07 Mar 2019, 7:01 pm

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If I was a farmer who discovered a crop circle in his field, I'd be pissed off about all that destroyed wheat.

I doubt that a crop circle would effect a farmer's bottom line much.

the designs are drawn with lines only inches wide covering less than an acre. An American wheat field could be hundreds of acres. The wheat between the lines even within the designs could still be harvested. You would loose more each year to hail storms probably.



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07 Mar 2019, 8:03 pm

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If I was a farmer who discovered a crop circle in his field, I'd be pissed off about all that destroyed wheat.

I doubt that a crop circle would effect a farmer's bottom line much.

the designs are drawn with lines only inches wide covering less than an acre. An American wheat field could be hundreds of acres. The wheat between the lines even within the designs could still be harvested. You would loose more each year to hail storms probably.


Just the same, I'd be pissed that some a$$holes went on my property to pull a stunt like that.
And even if farmers are prepared for losses, I'd still think they wouldn't find destruction of property to be amusing.


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08 Mar 2019, 5:19 am

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And science-fiction or magical grain-weaving ray guns are the stuff of comic books, not reality.


Yes but how do you get the level of accuracy? remember farmers find these patterns appearing overnight. It would be impossible for a prankster to create these with a plank of wood in the pitch dark let alone explain how they can float in the air to confirm the mathematical accuracy of the patterns.

I think this more likely the three trillion dollar military satellites equipped with advanced laser technology perhaps calibrating their gun firing producing the images mentioned.



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08 Mar 2019, 6:59 am

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Fnord wrote:
And science-fiction or magical grain-weaving ray guns are the stuff of comic books, not reality.


Yes but how do you get the level of accuracy? remember farmers find these patterns appearing overnight. It would be impossible for a prankster to create these with a plank of wood in the pitch dark let alone explain how they can float in the air to confirm the mathematical accuracy of the patterns.

I think this more likely the three trillion dollar military satellites equipped with advanced laser technology perhaps calibrating their gun firing producing the images mentioned.


Yep... that's definitely Occam's razor at work. Three trillion dollar military satellites with advanced laser technology vs two drunks with a rope and a plank.


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08 Mar 2019, 7:55 am

Trueno wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
And science-fiction or magical grain-weaving ray guns are the stuff of comic books, not reality.


Yes but how do you get the level of accuracy? remember farmers find these patterns appearing overnight. It would be impossible for a prankster to create these with a plank of wood in the pitch dark let alone explain how they can float in the air to confirm the mathematical accuracy of the patterns.

I think this more likely the three trillion dollar military satellites equipped with advanced laser technology perhaps calibrating their gun firing producing the images mentioned.


Yep... that's definitely Occam's razor at work. Three trillion dollar military satellites with advanced laser technology vs two drunks with a rope and a plank.

It's obviously two drunk aliens armed with a rope, a plank, and a three trillion dollar military satellite.


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08 Mar 2019, 8:27 am

fluffysaurus wrote:
Trueno wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
And science-fiction or magical grain-weaving ray guns are the stuff of comic books, not reality.


Yes but how do you get the level of accuracy? remember farmers find these patterns appearing overnight. It would be impossible for a prankster to create these with a plank of wood in the pitch dark let alone explain how they can float in the air to confirm the mathematical accuracy of the patterns.

I think this more likely the three trillion dollar military satellites equipped with advanced laser technology perhaps calibrating their gun firing producing the images mentioned.


Yep... that's definitely Occam's razor at work. Three trillion dollar military satellites with advanced laser technology vs two drunks with a rope and a plank.

It's obviously two drunk aliens armed with a rope, a plank, and a three trillion dollar military satellite.


... I did wonder about that... keep it to yourself.


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08 Mar 2019, 9:23 am

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
And science-fiction or magical grain-weaving ray guns are the stuff of comic books, not reality.
Yes but how do you get the level of accuracy? Remember farmers find these patterns appearing overnight. It would be impossible for a prankster to create these with a plank of wood in the pitch dark let alone explain how they can float in the air to confirm the mathematical accuracy of the patterns.
One prankster, maybe not … two pranksters would make it easier and quicker. A half-dozen pranksters might be required for some of the more elaborate patterns, while also providing more lookouts. It's amazing how much can be accomplished in one night by a group of drunken frat boys.
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I think this more likely the three trillion dollar military satellites equipped with advanced laser technology perhaps calibrating their gun firing producing the images mentioned.
Now I know that you're just being sarcastic.



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08 Mar 2019, 5:10 pm

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Computer technology came from the circle makers. Read "Day after Roswell" by LTC Philip J. Corso
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They are about DOH! Nuts! (Nuclear Reactor Workers)
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They are a Serial! (and getting shredded)
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See? Kind of nutty and hairy.
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08 Mar 2019, 5:24 pm

Oh my GOSH! There's a little green alien at the top of every page! Aye, and his eye is circled! Even Fnord's avatar looks like a hooded bipedal Reptoid!! ! I only have one question for Fnord: Do you have a tall tail tale?



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08 Mar 2019, 5:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
.One prankster, maybe not … two pranksters would make it easier and quicker. A half-dozen pranksters might be required for some of the more elaborate patterns, while also providing more lookouts. It's amazing how much can be accomplished in one night by a group of drunken frat boys


Seriously how do inebriated frat boys create this (below) in the pitch dark??
https://www.nature.com/articles/465693a.pdf?origin=ppub

If you read the 2010 Nature article the author suggests artists using microwave generators. However (and this is relevant) the mechanism is not volunteered as with the MIT engineering students back in 2002 they simply could not replicate what these so called "underground artists" seem to achieve.

Given the patterns (although simpler) have a history going back to the 1600s there is perhaps more than meets the eye



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08 Mar 2019, 5:38 pm

Sam RI Digsby MD wrote:
... Fnord's avatar looks like a hooded bipedal Reptoid!!
That's a "Bwap" (short for "Bawapakerwa-a-a-awapawab", in their native language) -- A member of an intelligent minor species native to Marhaban (Lentuli / Empty Quarter 0426, UPP:A-4697AB-E 801 Im K8-IV).
Sam RI Digsby MD wrote:
I only have one question for Fnord: Do you have a tall tail tale?
Does not parse. Please re-state.



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08 Mar 2019, 5:49 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
.One prankster, maybe not … two pranksters would make it easier and quicker. A half-dozen pranksters might be required for some of the more elaborate patterns, while also providing more lookouts. It's amazing how much can be accomplished in one night by a group of drunken frat boys
Seriously how do inebriated frat boys create this (below) in the pitch dark??
https://www.nature.com/articles/465693a.pdf?origin=ppub
With 27 stakes, 27 balls of twine, 27 planks, 12 conspirators (7 of who have the "blind staggers"), lots of preparation, and lots of experience with previous patterns.
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If you read the 2010 Nature article the author suggests artists using microwave generators.
"Suggests" does not mean "Prove", and "Anecdote" does not mean "Evidence".
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Given the patterns (although simpler) have a history going back to the 1600s there is perhaps more than meets the eye.
I "suggest" that a fraternal organization such as the Oculists or the Freemasons -- both of which rely heavily on geometry and mathematic formulae in their rituals -- may have been involved from the beginning. But that's only speculation. Even then, nothing but a crew of well-organized people need be posited for these "circles" to exist.

"... today’s patterns are mapped out using computers, laser pointers and satellite equipment, and artists work in coordinated teams. Bower once used only a crude sight, consisting of a circular wire dangling from his cap, to guide his lines. Other traditionalists used wooden planks, string and garden rollers. Artists even used bar stools to vault over regions of undisturbed crop. But there are signs that modern techniques are reaching their limits: in 2009, for the first time, one pictograph was created over three nights, potentially compromising the secrecy tenet."



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08 Mar 2019, 7:31 pm

Thanks, Fnord. I learn somethings every day.

http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Bwap
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Marhaban_(EQ_0426)_(world)
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Empty_Quarter_Sector

Crop circles are COOL. Oh look. It's C'OWL! Is that a COWLING we talkin' 'bout? Maybe one for spaceship Earth for it's AfterBurners? Spaceship Earth has some deep holes for 'fowl' stuff?



https://www.metro.news/snow-joke-walker ... e/1421322/

It kind of reminds me of these:

https://designyoutrust.com/2018/12/half ... -in-japan/


Fnord wrote:
Sam RI Digsby MD wrote:
... Fnord's avatar looks like a hooded bipedal Reptoid!!
That's a "Bwap" (short for "Bawapakerwa-a-a-awapawab", in their native language) -- A member of an intelligent minor species native to Marhaban (Lentuli / Empty Quarter 0426, UPP:A-4697AB-E 801 Im K8-IV).
Sam RI Digsby MD wrote:
I only have one question for Fnord: Do you have a tall tail tale?
Does not parse. Please re-state.



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08 Mar 2019, 9:17 pm

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With 27 stakes, 27 balls of twine, 27 planks, 12 conspirators (7 of who have the "blind staggers"), lots of preparation, and lots of experience with previous patterns.


The problem is the assumption that a cast of hundreds spent weeks, months, years? practicing....they can only do this at night time. You need flood lights and camera drones to even make a cursory attempt in the pitch dark. Not to mention the attention it would draw from passing motorists or the corn farmers...



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09 Mar 2019, 2:11 am

... I think an enormous mothership from the other side of the galaxy and dozens of little Roswell aliens jumping around might draw more attention from motorists and cornfarmers.


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