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16 Feb 2018, 7:57 pm

Autism had virtually zero to do with what the shooter did.

I knew people like him growing up. They would set ants on fire in the park, and laugh about it. They would set fires, in general. And be cruel to animals.

None of this stuff has much to do with autism, and everything to do with being disenchanted with the world, without really knowing why.

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16 Feb 2018, 7:58 pm

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Autism had virtually zero to do with what the shooter did..

That's the whole problem...we simply don't know...it's probably best to not comment on what "caused" the shooter to kill

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16 Feb 2018, 8:01 pm

Autism doesn't cause a person to plan something like this.

I'm not claiming to know the "cause" of the shooting. If I made that claim, I'd be God.

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16 Feb 2018, 8:07 pm

I agree there are other possibilities. The problem is that nuerodevelopmental changes in the brain that lead to autism can also lead to other non-autism related changes in brain executive function that lead to impulsive or psychopathic behavior.

The complexity of differences in human brain function makes exact reasons problematic. We haven't even touched on environmental factors that might trigger this type of extreme behavior??

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16 Feb 2018, 8:09 pm

Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

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16 Feb 2018, 8:16 pm

The only factor I see that's relevant is that he's homicidal. He enjoys killing people. He made it clear it's something he gets off on. Sometimes a murderer is just a murderer.

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16 Feb 2018, 8:18 pm

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...Maybe that is true or maybe these are autistic traits. Either way I do not think we are going get away with that much longer.
It is not going to be easy but the mass shooter stereotype like all stereotypes just might have a grain of truth to it.

I don't think you should use the pronoun "we."

You view autism as a disorder. I don't. You lose self-esteem, self-respect, to the point of lumping yourself with mass murderers. You have officially crossed a red line. You are not helping the community, whatsoever.

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16 Feb 2018, 8:19 pm

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Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

Nahh... it's a failure of education. He never learned that sometimes life is tough, sometimes life is fun.

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16 Feb 2018, 8:28 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:

Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

Nahh... it's a failure of education. He never learned that sometimes life is tough, sometimes life is fun.

I don't see that either one of those factors turns someone into a cold blooded premeditated killer for sport.

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16 Feb 2018, 8:34 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

Yes that's plausible

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16 Feb 2018, 8:35 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:

Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

Nahh... it's a failure of education. He never learned that sometimes life is tough, sometimes life is fun.

Hard to take you seriously when you attack ASPartofme for using the word "we" and then write crap like this...

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16 Feb 2018, 9:53 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:

You may be confusing what I think should happen with what I expect will happen. Whether you think autism is a disorder or a gift will not matter autistics and mass shooters are getting linked and that is going to affect autistics as a group. That is why I used the word “we”. It is unfair as f**k but still something that “we” as Autistics will have to deal with.

On the is a autism a difference or disorder thread you can read my opinion on the matter.

On the mass shooter autism “link” the sample size of autistic mass shooters and mass shooters in general is too small for to draw any conclusions but people are

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16 Feb 2018, 11:03 pm

cyberdad wrote:

eikonabridge wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

Nahh... it's a failure of education. He never learned that sometimes life is tough, sometimes life is fun.

Hard to take you seriously when you attack ASPartofme for using the word "we" and then write crap like this...

I am sorry, I was talking to kraftiekortie, not you. Read this: http://www.eikonabridge.com/fun_and_facts.pdf

Now, what shall we talk next? Trump?

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16 Feb 2018, 11:43 pm

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17 Feb 2018, 12:06 am

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Probably his adoptive mother dying recently could have been a trigger---don't you think?

While he was a violent, antisocial kid, I agree, most likely he'd have to have had some sort of switch to set him off like this. Most serial killers and mass murderers only start killing when something traumatic sets them off.

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17 Feb 2018, 12:57 am

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Please don't be autistic

God damn it.

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