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Don't most protestant denominations consist of the religious right? How many left Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal etc. churches are there in comparison to right?
The religious right is mostly made up of evangelicals (Baptists and Pentecostals, and related faiths). Most conservative Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc, tend to still be counted as mainline Protestants. That's because evangelicals look on mainline denominations as errant in regard to infant baptism (rather than adult believers baptism), for seeing the book of Revelations as a minor book mostly about the early church rather than future events, that a born again experience is required for faith to be legit, liturgical worship, etc. Kind of hard to get on with people who say you're chosen faith doesn't cut the mustard with God. That, and many evangelicals have become too intertwined in worldly politics at the expense of the Gospel, after becoming coopeted by the secular right.
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It an be found virtually anywhere, but is mostly practised by evangelical and Pentecostal churches in the more conservative areas. There are exceptions, though, as a major prosperity gospel church is located in liberal Seattle.
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It an be found virtually anywhere, but is mostly practised by evangelical and Pentecostal churches in the more conservative areas. There are exceptions, though, as a major prosperity gospel church is located in liberal Seattle.
Like anywhere globally or anywhere USA?
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Don't most protestant denominations consist of the religious right? How many left Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal etc. churches are there in comparison to right?
The religious right is mostly made up of evangelicals (Baptists and Pentecostals, and related faiths). Most conservative Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc, tend to still be counted as mainline Protestants. That's because evangelicals look on mainline denominations as errant in regard to infant baptism (rather than adult believers baptism), for seeing the book of Revelations as a minor book mostly about the early church rather than future events, that a born again experience is required for faith to be legit, liturgical worship, etc. Kind of hard to get on with people who say you're chosen faith doesn't cut the mustard with God. That, and many evangelicals have become too intertwined in worldly politics at the expense of the Gospel, after becoming coopeted by the secular right.
This is getting confusing because evangelical, mainline, conservative and right are all synonymous far as I know. Mainline (non-catholic) Christianity consists of conservative right evangelicals. Things like infant baptism and preterism aren't a part of mainline Christian theology. As far as being born again goes, what denomination consists of unborn again Christians? And what mainline denomination doesn't follow the evangel?
It an be found virtually anywhere, but is mostly practised by evangelical and Pentecostal churches in the more conservative areas. There are exceptions, though, as a major prosperity gospel church is located in liberal Seattle.
How is Pentecostalism seperate from evangelicalism? Sure there are doctrine differences between them and say Baptists such as baptism of the holy spirit and once saved always saved, but they both follow the evangel.
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Don't most protestant denominations consist of the religious right? How many left Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal etc. churches are there in comparison to right?
The religious right is mostly made up of evangelicals (Baptists and Pentecostals, and related faiths). Most conservative Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc, tend to still be counted as mainline Protestants. That's because evangelicals look on mainline denominations as errant in regard to infant baptism (rather than adult believers baptism), for seeing the book of Revelations as a minor book mostly about the early church rather than future events, that a born again experience is required for faith to be legit, liturgical worship, etc. Kind of hard to get on with people who say you're chosen faith doesn't cut the mustard with God. That, and many evangelicals have become too intertwined in worldly politics at the expense of the Gospel, after becoming coopeted by the secular right.
This is getting confusing because evangelical, mainline, conservative and right are all synonymous far as I know. Mainline (non-catholic) Christianity consists of conservative right evangelicals. Things like infant baptism and preterism aren't a part of mainline Christian theology. As far as being born again goes, what denomination consists of unborn again Christians? And what mainline denomination doesn't follow the evangel?
Since when? Are evangelicals now claiming to be mainline, now? If so, then the rest of us certainly haven't given that claim any credence. Because, yes, infant baptism is very much practiced by mainline Protestants, as it's a common practice among Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and others.
As far as being "born again" is concerned: most mainline Protestant theology doesn't believe grace is attained through a choice human beings make, but is a gift given freely by God. We Lutherans specifically believe grace is impossible for flawed human nature to accept, but is given to us by "means of grace," such as the sacraments of the eucharist (which can be given at any age), and the Lord's Supper - this specific belief can differ from denomination to denomination, but that's okay. So, no, not a whole lot of claims of having born again experiences among us. For myself, baptised as an infant and raised in the church, there was never I time when I didn't consider myself a believer.
Also, most mainline Protestants adhere to both eccumenical creeds such as the Nicene and Aptostolic creeds, as well as to specific creeds expounding their specific theology. Evangelicals usually are anti-creedal.
As far as "following the evengel" - It's commonly felt evangelicals have usurped the words evangelical and evangel, and so mainline Protestants rarely use those terms. Though the other major Lutheran body refers to itself as the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
Case in point, when Trump, who claims to be a Presbyterian, met with Presbyterian theologians, referred to them as evangelicals. When they corrected him and said they were mainline Protestants not evangelicals, a stunned Trump had asked: "But you're Christians, aren't you?"
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It an be found virtually anywhere, but is mostly practised by evangelical and Pentecostal churches in the more conservative areas. There are exceptions, though, as a major prosperity gospel church is located in liberal Seattle.
Like anywhere globally or anywhere USA?
I tend to think they can usually be found in conservative red states.
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It an be found virtually anywhere, but is mostly practised by evangelical and Pentecostal churches in the more conservative areas. There are exceptions, though, as a major prosperity gospel church is located in liberal Seattle.
Like anywhere globally or anywhere USA?
I tend to think they can usually be found in conservative red states.
Aaaah, places I've never really been and that don't yet have internet connections so haven't really heard from those people online.
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Fits the usual pattern Trump follows...would love to see him speaking in tongues
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Fits the usual pattern Trump follows...would love to see him speaking in tongues
I'd rather see him speaking in jail.
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Fits the usual pattern Trump follows...would love to see him speaking in tongues
I'd rather see him speaking in jail.
Patience...the Russian investigation is continuing
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Fits the usual pattern Trump follows...would love to see him speaking in tongues
I'd rather see him speaking in jail.
Patience...the Russian investigation is continuing
Jail would suffice, but it would be beyond amazing to see all of these dirt bags lose all their money, too.
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Fits the usual pattern Trump follows...would love to see him speaking in tongues
Probably. There's a photo of Trump surrounded by evangelicals laying their hands on him and praying.
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Don't most protestant denominations consist of the religious right? How many left Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal etc. churches are there in comparison to right?
The religious right is mostly made up of evangelicals (Baptists and Pentecostals, and related faiths). Most conservative Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc, tend to still be counted as mainline Protestants. That's because evangelicals look on mainline denominations as errant in regard to infant baptism (rather than adult believers baptism), for seeing the book of Revelations as a minor book mostly about the early church rather than future events, that a born again experience is required for faith to be legit, liturgical worship, etc. Kind of hard to get on with people who say you're chosen faith doesn't cut the mustard with God. That, and many evangelicals have become too intertwined in worldly politics at the expense of the Gospel, after becoming coopeted by the secular right.
This is getting confusing because evangelical, mainline, conservative and right are all synonymous far as I know. Mainline (non-catholic) Christianity consists of conservative right evangelicals. Things like infant baptism and preterism aren't a part of mainline Christian theology. As far as being born again goes, what denomination consists of unborn again Christians? And what mainline denomination doesn't follow the evangel?
Since when? Are evangelicals now claiming to be mainline, now? If so, then the rest of us certainly haven't given that claim any credence. Because, yes, infant baptism is very much practiced by mainline Protestants, as it's a common practice among Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and others.
As far as being "born again" is concerned: most mainline Protestant theology doesn't believe grace is attained through a choice human beings make, but is a gift given freely by God. We Lutherans specifically believe grace is impossible for flawed human nature to accept, but is given to us by "means of grace," such as the sacraments of the eucharist (which can be given at any age), and the Lord's Supper - this specific belief can differ from denomination to denomination, but that's okay. So, no, not a whole lot of claims of having born again experiences among us. For myself, baptised as an infant and raised in the church, there was never I time when I didn't consider myself a believer.
Also, most mainline Protestants adhere to both eccumenical creeds such as the Nicene and Aptostolic creeds, as well as to specific creeds expounding their specific theology. Evangelicals usually are anti-creedal.
As far as "following the evengel" - It's commonly felt evangelicals have usurped the words evangelical and evangel, and so mainline Protestants rarely use those terms. Though the other major Lutheran body refers to itself as the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
Case in point, when Trump, who claims to be a Presbyterian, met with Presbyterian theologians, referred to them as evangelicals. When they corrected him and said they were mainline Protestants not evangelicals, a stunned Trump had asked: "But you're Christians, aren't you?"
Well I believe I have shown that I'm not entirely ignorant regarding christianity. But I also don't know the difference like I know the difference between something like calvinist and arminian. I was thinking along the lines that you were equating evangelical with charismatic. Really this conversation between us has become me seeking a better understanding. So I'll look into it more.
