goldfish21
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01 Nov 2018, 6:07 pm
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It’s a sad day when the leader of the free world has silenced his own country’s scientists & convinced their youth to ignore facts and support his personal agenda of war & profit instead.
That's some pretty maudlin diatribe.
Except these are facts & thus objective reality easily observed by anyone not enchanted by trump’s hate.
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01 Nov 2018, 6:48 pm
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01 Nov 2018, 7:15 pm
01 Nov 2018, 7:17 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
they just admitted that they've been measuring their temperature data wrong.
So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.
So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.
So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.
So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.
So; once upon a time, ocean temperatures were measured by a guy dropping a weighted thermometer on a string over the side of the HMS Beagle. Nowadays we do it with infrared satellites, automated buoys, and complex computer modeling.
But since the 19th century guy on a sailing ship with the thermometer on a string's "conclusions have been wrong for decades", "you can't trust them at all."
You have a very sophomoric notion of how science works.
You seem to fancy yourself as a knowledgeable person.
How come you don't know that they still use ship measurements?
(You would know this if you ever actually dug around for measurement data).
Ships yes, density thermometers no. You can't possibly be claiming that the instruments have not evolved. We actually have a MANNED spacecraft to observe the entire planet, you seem pretty confident in what you're saying so why not defer to astronauts for your courage of conviction?
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01 Nov 2018, 7:18 pm
EzraS wrote:
cberg wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cberg wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Like Y2K, Like Bush's terror level alerts, the whole world needs to be in a panic for it to be effectivetive.
This is a conspiracy theory; the thread is about geophysics. Regardless of how real the conspiracy, it's more fake than the actual planet.
Are you a geophysicist?
I don't see why not, I work on geodetic models & computational mapping all day, every day. That includes terrestrial positioning, aerial imaging, satellite data, survey drones & Google Earth.
Seeing others talk about the real world as if borders can decide for us what nature will do just makes me sad.
Sounds interesting. Maybe I should study it in college. Does it pay well?
Yes & it provides data aggregation methods to stop this nonsense. Geospatial & geographic information systems are also great fun.
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01 Nov 2018, 7:21 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
^A lot of things have been overlooked - that’s how we Know it’s much worse than the worst case scenarios currently predict.
I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.
I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.
I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.
It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.
I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.
I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.
I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.
It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.
So we'll have to get better. I'm an optimistic person regardless of what I see in science & media because neither is perfect, nature is extremely tough & because I see this as pure engineering.
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-Gem Tos
01 Nov 2018, 7:31 pm
cberg wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
they just admitted that they've been measuring their temperature data wrong.
So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.
So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.
So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.
So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.
So; once upon a time, ocean temperatures were measured by a guy dropping a weighted thermometer on a string over the side of the HMS Beagle. Nowadays we do it with infrared satellites, automated buoys, and complex computer modeling.
But since the 19th century guy on a sailing ship with the thermometer on a string's "conclusions have been wrong for decades", "you can't trust them at all."
You have a very sophomoric notion of how science works.
You seem to fancy yourself as a knowledgeable person.
How come you don't know that they still use ship measurements?
(You would know this if you ever actually dug around for measurement data).
Ships yes, density thermometers no. You can't possibly be claiming that the instruments have not evolved. We actually have a MANNED spacecraft to observe the entire planet, you seem pretty confident in what you're saying so why not defer to astronauts for your courage of conviction?
I don't trust people.
In most jobs, you're required to produce results.
Like, if you're a salesperson , you may have to lie, misrepresent, do what it takes to make a sale.
Professors/researchers have to "Publish or perish"; if they want grant/research money.
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01 Nov 2018, 7:52 pm
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
^A lot of things have been overlooked - that’s how we Know it’s much worse than the worst case scenarios currently predict.
I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.
I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.
I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.
It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.
I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.
I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.
I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.
It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.
Read where?
Online. Probably from links that came up in my fb newsfeed. Could have been from iflscience, huff post, CNN, shared by greenpeace, or shared by a friend others. But they were almost certainly articles that came up in my fb feed vs found elsewhere online.
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01 Nov 2018, 7:55 pm
thoughtbeast wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It’s a sad day when the leader of the free world has silenced his own country’s scientists & convinced their youth to ignore facts and support his personal agenda of war & profit instead.
That's some pretty maudlin diatribe.
Except these are facts & thus objective reality easily observed by anyone not enchanted by trump’s hate.
What scientists have been silenced?
Start counting ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+s ... scientists
There ya go. All of them.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.01 Nov 2018, 8:09 pm
goldfish21
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01 Nov 2018, 9:58 pm
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
^A lot of things have been overlooked - that’s how we Know it’s much worse than the worst case scenarios currently predict.
I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.
I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.
I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.
It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.
I read recently that we need to decrease our GHG emissions by 25% just to maintain the current level of warmijgbcaused by GHG emissions because the ice is melting and Earth no longer gets the cooling effect of white ice reflecting light back out to space.. no more white t-shirt = we’re getting burnt. Also, trapped methane and other gases are being released out of the melting ice.
I also read this year that, until very recently, scientists overlooked decomposing plastics as a source of GHG. Billions of tonnes of plastic slowly decomposing in UV light is giving off gases we never accounted for - likely a significant amount.
I’m sure there are other under-estimations and oversights, too.
It’s WAY worse than the UN report states.
Read where?
Online. Probably from links that came up in my fb newsfeed. Could have been from iflscience, huff post, CNN, shared by greenpeace, or shared by a friend others. But they were almost certainly articles that came up in my fb feed vs found elsewhere online.
That's what I figured. But I don't mean that in an entirely derogatory way. But I do wonder if people ever challenge what they are handed. I'm not out to poo poo climate change science. But I am a skeptic, and this tends to trigger my this doesn't sound quite right sense.
Wtf doesn't sound quite right?
It's news about science & the environment, not some blog by a hippie somewhere.Use your own senses. You have eyes & ears - take a look around and realize how much is changing right around us, very quickly. Heck, even over the last couple years. I'm only 36 and there have been some pretty significant changes over my lifetime, and they're accelerating.. the last few years have changed more than the previous several, and the pace is about to pick up.
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goldfish21 wrote:
Wtf doesn't sound quite right?
It's news about science & the environment, not some blog by a hippie somewhere.Use your own senses. You have eyes & ears - take a look around and realize how much is changing right around us, very quickly. Heck, even over the last couple years. I'm only 36 and there have been some pretty significant changes over my lifetime, and they're accelerating.. the last few years have changed more than the previous several, and the pace is about to pick up.
The wording, the evidence via prognosticating graphs and models. The fact that it's a burgeoning and controversial science.
If you mean look at my surroundings, I'm not detecting anything. Now the first couple of years I lived here, it seemed drier and warmer than I expected. But then I found out that was due to el nino, and the last couple of years the weather has been much more normal for western washington.
In Vegas they've been making a big deal out of Lake Mead water levels. But I found out it was just as low in the 50's.
02 Nov 2018, 12:11 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
cberg wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Piobaire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
they just admitted that they've been measuring their temperature data wrong.
So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.
So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.
So, their conclusions have been wrong for decades.
So, at this point, you can't trust them at all.
So; once upon a time, ocean temperatures were measured by a guy dropping a weighted thermometer on a string over the side of the HMS Beagle. Nowadays we do it with infrared satellites, automated buoys, and complex computer modeling.
But since the 19th century guy on a sailing ship with the thermometer on a string's "conclusions have been wrong for decades", "you can't trust them at all."
You have a very sophomoric notion of how science works.
You seem to fancy yourself as a knowledgeable person.
How come you don't know that they still use ship measurements?
(You would know this if you ever actually dug around for measurement data).
Ships yes, density thermometers no. You can't possibly be claiming that the instruments have not evolved. We actually have a MANNED spacecraft to observe the entire planet, you seem pretty confident in what you're saying so why not defer to astronauts for your courage of conviction?
I don't trust people.
In most jobs, you're required to produce results.
Like, if you're a salesperson , you may have to lie, misrepresent, do what it takes to make a sale.
Professors/researchers have to "Publish or perish"; if they want grant/research money.
If you don't trust people or established facts you're stuck basing your decisions on more or less nothing.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
02 Nov 2018, 12:13 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
The grotesque nature of the measurement data is that ...
1. The raw measurement data is not publicly available. (You can find aggregated data from say "Ship 1" or "Weather Station 1", however, no raw measurment, GPS coordinate data)
2. They don't provide GPS locations.
3. They don't tell you their statistical methods.
4. They don't tell you their statistical model (climate model).
5. They don't tell you the specific device used and the tolerance/error rate.
So, they can prove anything.
1. The raw measurement data is not publicly available. (You can find aggregated data from say "Ship 1" or "Weather Station 1", however, no raw measurment, GPS coordinate data)
2. They don't provide GPS locations.
3. They don't tell you their statistical methods.
4. They don't tell you their statistical model (climate model).
5. They don't tell you the specific device used and the tolerance/error rate.
So, they can prove anything.
There are no GPS locations needed for something we're already measuring by SPACECRAFT.
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02 Nov 2018, 3:05 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Wtf doesn't sound quite right?
It's news about science & the environment, not some blog by a hippie somewhere.Use your own senses. You have eyes & ears - take a look around and realize how much is changing right around us, very quickly. Heck, even over the last couple years. I'm only 36 and there have been some pretty significant changes over my lifetime, and they're accelerating.. the last few years have changed more than the previous several, and the pace is about to pick up.
The wording, the evidence via prognosticating graphs and models. The fact that it's a burgeoning and controversial science.
If you mean look at my surroundings, I'm not detecting anything. Now the first couple of years I lived here, it seemed drier and warmer than I expected. But then I found out that was due to el nino, and the last couple of years the weather has been much more normal for western washington.
In Vegas they've been making a big deal out of Lake Mead water levels. But I found out it was just as low in the 50's.
So, the orange guy told you news isn’t real anymore so now nothing is true?
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