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03 Jul 2019, 1:46 am

I'm sure there are people who want to see this flag banned too:

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And this one:

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03 Jul 2019, 2:04 am

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You object to what?

I object to the stupid PC pressure influencing companies to remove or pull something because of this guilt by historical association. A form of police-state censorship and another small stepping stone toward a 1984-ish authoritarian, if not totalitarian society.


Indeed. And by those who say they're fighing fascism.



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03 Jul 2019, 2:21 am

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Another thing that has been hijacked by white nationalists and is getting banned is the ok hand symbol
After Christchurch, It's Impossible To Separate The 'Okay Sign' From White Supremacy

US Coast Guard member 'removed' after making 'offensive' OK sign on live TV

High school reprints yearbooks after students seen flashing alleged racist signs
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A Chicago high school will reprint its 2018-19 yearbooks at a cost of $53,794 after 18 photographs show students making a hand gesture associated with white nationalism, according to reports.

Students of ”various races, ethnicities, genders and grades” were seen flashing the upside-down “OK,” schools chief Joylynn Pruitt-Adams told parents, students and staff in an email Monday about the Oak Park and River Forest High School, according to the Chicago Sun-Times

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Pictured: confirmed White Supremacist.

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03 Jul 2019, 2:31 am

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Pictured: confirmed White Supremacist.

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She's even named for a freakin' conquistador. I demand she immediately renounce her name! There need to be pickets outside her office every day and she should be hounded out of every restaurant in the country until she admits her family's complicity in continental genocide!


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03 Jul 2019, 3:06 am

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We live in a world where those in positions of high influence manipulate the populace to create division. They look very clever and very ignorant at the same time.

Looks like the Russian contribution to your last election is still going strong...

From that bastion of accuracy and impartiality, Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections):
"The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goal of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political or social discord in the United States."



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03 Jul 2019, 5:01 am

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The Betsy Ross Flag is not the Nazi flag which was used for evil from the get go. Should we ban crosses because the KKK misused them for white supremacist terrorism? How about banning the word autistic because it is used as an insult? The bullies have won yet AGAIN.


I think the football superintendent put it eloquently that the "Betsy Ross" flag is a symbol from the slavery era. He knew that white high-school boys know this and that's why they were flying these replicas as a football match to probably upset black players. It's like the Covington schoolboys wearing MAGA hats. I suspect the intention behind all of this symbolism is to upset people and draw attention to themselves.

Adults who think confederate era flags are somehow worthy of celebration are actually no better than these teenage boys (who can be at least be excused for the rebelliousness of youth).

So it's not the object itself that's the problem (for example the swastika is a symbol of peace in Asia) it's the intention behind it, White Americans who want to "dance around" draped in a Betsy Ross flag are knowingly thumbing their noses at the sensitivities of African Americans, something they did when they voted Trump.

The football superintendent was eloquent but he was wrong.
It is a symbol from and era when there was slavery, it is not a symbol of slavery. The intention behind it was independence from Great Britain. Probably most symbols date back to a time when evil things were done so by this logic most symbols should go, most everything should go. The Betsy Ross flag has been misused by fringe groups and apparently some high school kids. Why are we letting these punks change the meaning of a symbol? Instead of banning the symbol how about the eloquent football superintendent suspending his players for bullying if that was the intent. I think I know why, virtue signaling costs nothing, suspending your players costs wins, which costs money.


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03 Jul 2019, 6:18 am

I guess it's not up to us though AS...neither of us have a stake in slavery

It's the African American community who will have to decide, if Colin Kaepernick has strong reservations about the Betsy Ross flag it would be a good indicator that BLM and other groups would treat the aforementioned image like the confederate flag.



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03 Jul 2019, 6:24 am

It’s the flag of Patriots, in my view. The Betsy Ross flag.



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03 Jul 2019, 7:13 am

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I guess it's not up to us though AS...neither of us have a stake in slavery

It's the African American community who will have to decide, if Colin Kaepernick has strong reservations about the Betsy Ross flag it would be a good indicator that BLM and other groups would treat the aforementioned image like the confederate flag.

Who decided Colin Kaepernick and BLM represent the decedents of slaves and when did this happen?


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03 Jul 2019, 7:18 am

That flag was created around the same time as the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. So the question is, match or shredder?



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03 Jul 2019, 7:38 am

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I'm sure there are people who want to see this flag banned too:

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And this one:

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Some SJW’s got the last one covered
Chicago gay pride parade expels Star of David flags

'Like a Swastika, or Confederate Flag': How the Dyke March Turned the Star of David Into a Hate Symbol The DC Dyke March singled out Jewish symbols and queer Jews for policing and exclusion
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I watched horrifying video footage of a DC Dyke March marshall physically gatekeeping women just like me from entering the event, deeming the way they expressed their Judaism as "inappropriate" for a queer space.

The Star of David is often called the "Jewish star" because it is the most recognizable symbol of Judaism. Just like a cross or star and crescent, those six points are synonymous with pride in one’s Jewishness. At the site that memorializes soldiers lost in D-Day, during the Battle of Normandy, 149 Jewish graves are marked with the star in a sea of crosses. It acts as a signifier of identity, not of one’s politics.

The Dyke March organizers claimed that the Jewish Pride flag was banned because it has a "Star of David placed in the center, superimposed over a rainbow flag, and is almost entirely reminiscent of the Israeli flag, swapping out the blue and white for a rainbow."

I’m reminded that the Jewish star has been used to single out Jews for discrimination and extermination - but we have consistently taken it back, as our symbol of pride. If anything, Stars of David share something profound with the term "dyke" itself: a history of being reclaimed, proudly, in the face of prejudice.

But just as we would never cancel the Dyke March because of bigots who rail against how we identify and love, nor should we in the LGBTQ community cancel the Star of David because of the bigotry of anti-Semitism either.

As good as it is to take back a symbol after it has been usurped it is better to prevent the bullies from hijacking it in the first place. The SJW bullies are not remotely as strong as was Nazi Germany so why are so many people having so much problems standing up to them?


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03 Jul 2019, 7:52 am

Imagine if we had no Constitution?

Kaepernick is just some quarterback who wanted some attention. He’s half-white, by the way. He’s not the incarnation of either good or evil.



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03 Jul 2019, 8:54 am

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Pictured: confirmed White Supremacist.

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She's even named for a freakin' conquistador. I demand she immediately renounce her name! There need to be pickets outside her office every day and she should be hounded out of every restaurant in the country until she admits her family's complicity in continental genocide!
her name is Cortez the conquistador was Hernan Cortes, slightly different


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03 Jul 2019, 10:38 am

It's like saying it's okay to be a Benedict Arnold as long as you're politically correct.


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03 Jul 2019, 12:18 pm

Funny how the original American flag wasn't an offensive symbol just a little while ago when Obama used it as a backdrop. I wonder what changed?

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03 Jul 2019, 12:40 pm

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The Betsy Ross flag has never been a symbol of white supremacy and nationalism...
The United States declared their independence on July 4, 1776.

2/3s of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were slave-owners.

The "Betsy Ross" flag was in official use by a nation of slave-owners from June 14, 1777 to May 1, 1795.

Slavery was officially abolished on December 6, 1865.

You cannot deny these historical facts.


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