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01 Oct 2019, 10:43 pm

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How do you know what she knew and didn't know?
Yes, I am largely of German extraction. I know that both because of having been the end result of a long line of Deutschers, and from being told about my German background by my family.


Let me put it another way, I do not see any reason why as an intelligent well educated adult she would not have known the difference between having an American Indian ancestor and actually being an American Indian. She should have known better.


Regardless of education and intelligence, who you are is determined by who you think you are rather than who your DNA says you are.


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01 Oct 2019, 10:49 pm

Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


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01 Oct 2019, 11:08 pm

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Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


I think it's a matter of whataboutisms.


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01 Oct 2019, 11:12 pm

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Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


I think it's a matter of whataboutisms.


I guess they don't want to have to try to defend Donald Trump. Seems to me they've all but conceded that Donald Trump really did try to extort the President of the Ukraine for dirt on the Bidens. This is why they changed the subject instead of starting a separate thread.


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01 Oct 2019, 11:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
How do you know what she knew and didn't know?
Yes, I am largely of German extraction. I know that both because of having been the end result of a long line of Deutschers, and from being told about my German background by my family.


Let me put it another way, I do not see any reason why as an intelligent well educated adult she would not have known the difference between having an American Indian ancestor and actually being an American Indian. She should have known better.


Regardless of education and intelligence, who you are is determined by who you think you are rather than who your DNA says you are.


DNA or reality. It is like now if someone thinks they are Neapolitan Bonaparte, that is who they are, no questions asked. If Trump thinks he is a humble, caring, non-racist person, then that is who he is despite any evidence to the contrary. Who he thinks he is must be acknowledged and accepted.



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02 Oct 2019, 12:37 am

EzraS wrote:
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How do you know what she knew and didn't know?
Yes, I am largely of German extraction. I know that both because of having been the end result of a long line of Deutschers, and from being told about my German background by my family.


Let me put it another way, I do not see any reason why as an intelligent well educated adult she would not have known the difference between having an American Indian ancestor and actually being an American Indian. She should have known better.


Regardless of education and intelligence, who you are is determined by who you think you are rather than who your DNA says you are.


DNA or reality. It is like now if someone thinks they are Neapolitan Bonaparte, that is who they are, no questions asked. If Trump thinks he is a humble, caring, non-racist person, then that is who he is despite any evidence to the contrary. Who he thinks he is must be acknowledged and accepted.


I meant for that person doing the thinking.


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02 Oct 2019, 12:57 am

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Defending a person's lies on top of lies just because they are tribal to a party is utterly pathetic.

I don't need a chill pill or to get laid. Stop defending f**king liars and stop making strawman arguments.


Said the pot to the kettle.


I'm supporting Tulsi Gabbard. I support no party. Literally everything you say is wrong. Maybe it's not me who needs pills.


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02 Oct 2019, 1:02 am

beneficii wrote:
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Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


I think it's a matter of whataboutisms.


I guess they don't want to have to try to defend Donald Trump. Seems to me they've all but conceded that Donald Trump really did try to extort the President of the Ukraine for dirt on the Bidens. This is why they changed the subject instead of starting a separate thread.


I've already posted a link debunking the tripe. The main aim of the call was talking about Ukraine's role in the Russiagate hoax via the pro DNC anti Russian firm that 'investigated' the DNC servers. Maybe you should focus on Biden's corruption and the Obama administration supporting an illegal coup and then Biden's son earning a fortune because of the new US puppet regime and now antisemitism being rife. Have some shame.

https://www.haaretz.com/amp/world-news/ ... ssion=true


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02 Oct 2019, 1:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


I think it's a matter of whataboutisms.


For the record you're the one who brought her into the thread. I sometimes find it interesting to follow the genesis of conversations, and how we rambled so far off topic, it mostly went something along these lines:

1. Discuss Trump Ukraine situation for 2 pages
2. John Powell mentions how much of a criminal Biden, and how this whole thing is a media hit job to protect him or something
3. Ezra says how a Biden Trump election results in American as the loser
4. Kraichgauer says he thinks Warren will be the nominee
5. Warren debate takes over the thread


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02 Oct 2019, 1:21 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Defending a person's lies on top of lies just because they are tribal to a party is utterly pathetic.

I don't need a chill pill or to get laid. Stop defending f**king liars and stop making strawman arguments.


Said the pot to the kettle.


I'm supporting Tulsi Gabbard. I support no party. Literally everything you say is wrong. Maybe it's not me who needs pills.


Well, until you switch citizenship, your support means squat.


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02 Oct 2019, 1:23 am

Antrax wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


I think it's a matter of whataboutisms.


For the record you're the one who brought her into the thread. I sometimes find it interesting to follow the genesis of conversations, and how we rambled so far off topic, it mostly went something along these lines:

1. Discuss Trump Ukraine situation for 2 pages
2. John Powell mentions how much of a criminal Biden, and how this whole thing is a media hit job to protect him or something
3. Ezra says how a Biden Trump election results in American as the loser
4. Kraichgauer says he thinks Warren will be the nominee
5. Warren debate takes over the thread


I hardly meant it to be a master plan on my part.


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02 Oct 2019, 1:50 am

beneficii wrote:
Why are we discussing Elizabeth Warren in this thread? Are the people who care about this unable to start a thread of their own?


I'm just going with the flow of conversation.



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02 Oct 2019, 1:52 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Defending a person's lies on top of lies just because they are tribal to a party is utterly pathetic.

I don't need a chill pill or to get laid. Stop defending f**king liars and stop making strawman arguments.


Said the pot to the kettle.


I'm supporting Tulsi Gabbard. I support no party. Literally everything you say is wrong. Maybe it's not me who needs pills.


Well, until you switch citizenship, your support means squat.


From the guy who pushed the Russiagate hoax for 3 years :lol: You don't seem to understand how the internet works. I can change people's minds (when they are open) and try to convince Americans to vote for her rather than any of the other terrible candidates.


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02 Oct 2019, 5:01 am

I think Cenk here brings up something the news media does not enough; the right-wing has a lot of zealots on its side, who own guns and often see themselves as being on a mission. When Trump referred to the whistleblower's complaint as "treason", talked about coming to find the whistleblower, and warned of "big consequences", he is blowing the dog whistle and activating right-wing extremists across the country who would be quite willing to try to shoot the whistleblower. This is why the whistleblower is under federal protection and left unidentified for now.


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02 Oct 2019, 5:10 am

If it is on TYT it is probably baloney.

And right-wingers think the Ukraine whistleblower deal is baloney as well.



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02 Oct 2019, 5:15 am

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This is why the whistleblower is under federal protection and left unidentified for now.

If that's true, then I think that would identify this person.

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