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22 Oct 2019, 1:58 am

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Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


That is untrue. A Nazi is a Nazi, not a Republican or libertarian. Why the urgency to use this argument to take a stand for the extreme right?


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22 Oct 2019, 2:33 am

Ezra...people who have killed hundreds in the US and elsewhere have been inspired by Nazi ideology so they are by definition "Neo-Nazis" because they follow the ideology but may not refer to themselves as Nazis (an apparent technicality you are trying to invoke to invalidate their despicable acts).

The KKK and skinhead movements are thrown in because they believe in racist ideology and modern adherents of these groups certainly admire Hitler. The KKK have been known to have murdered thousands of innocent black people and instead of outlawing this group previous members have become state governors and at least two presidents (Calvin Coolidge and Harry Truman) were members. The skinhead movement has also been involved in murders of innocent people across the OECD as well as in the old eastern bloc states.

I have no problem with terrorists being locked up in Guantanimo bay so long as they are joined by members of the KKK, Aryan nations, skinheads, 4chan, 8chan and other alt-right groups join them behind barbed wire. While they are at it they can also throw segregationist republicans who flirt with the far right for good measure.

As I said...what's good for the goose is good for the gander....a racist is also a terrorist



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22 Oct 2019, 2:43 am

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Ezra...people who have killed hundreds in the US and elsewhere have been inspired by Nazi ideology so they are by definition "Neo-Nazis" because they follow the ideology but may not refer to themselves as Nazis (an apparent technicality you are trying to invoke to invalidate their despicable acts).

The KKK and skinhead movements are thrown in because they believe in racist ideology and modern adherents of these groups certainly admire Hitler. The KKK have been known to have murdered thousands of innocent black people and instead of outlawing this group previous members have become state governors and at least two presidents (Calvin Coolidge and Harry Truman) were members. The skinhead movement has also been involved in murders of innocent people across the OECD as well as in the old eastern bloc states.

I have no problem with terrorists being locked up in Guantanimo bay so long as they are joined by members of the KKK, Aryan nations, skinheads, 4chan, 8chan and other alt-right groups join them behind barbed wire. While they are at it they can also throw segregationist republicans who flirt with the far right for good measure.

As I said...what's good for the goose is good for the gander....a racist is also a terrorist


I may be mistaken, but I think Truman's political mentor had talked him out of joining the Klan. There had been more than one Supreme Court judge on the bench who had KKK membership.


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22 Oct 2019, 2:53 am

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I may be mistaken, but I think Truman's political mentor had talked him out of joining the Klan. There had been more than one Supreme Court judge on the bench who had KKK membership.


Truman was a paid member (he paid the $10 membership fee) but fell out prior to his running for the office of POTUS
https://allthatsinteresting.com/famous-kkk-members/4

Forgot to mention Woodrow Wilson and Warren Harding....

Some famous high court judges
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962254/

Even Roosevelt was aware of the Klan's hold on the courts but did nothing to break it up



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22 Oct 2019, 3:00 am

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I may be mistaken, but I think Truman's political mentor had talked him out of joining the Klan. There had been more than one Supreme Court judge on the bench who had KKK membership.


Truman was a paid member (he paid the $10 membership fee) but fell out prior to his running for the office of POTUS
https://allthatsinteresting.com/famous-kkk-members/4

Forgot to mention Woodrow Wilson and Warren Harding....

Some famous high court judges
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180962254/

Even Roosevelt was aware of the Klan's hold on the courts but did nothing to break it up


Okay, I guess I hadn't known about the 10 dollar membership fee. That said, as Truman had begun integration of the army, it goes to show you that no one's ever a lost cause.
Wilson, whose repressive war time domestic policy that betrayed his progressive ideals he claimed to hold to, had given a rebirth to the Klan.
Roosevelt, unfortunately felt that with the political realities of the time, went out of his way to keep the south which was at the time solidly Democrat, including not speaking out against the KKK.


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22 Oct 2019, 3:03 am

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Okay, I guess I hadn't known about the 10 dollar membership fee. That said, as Truman had begun integration of the army, it goes to show you that no one's ever a lost cause.
Wilson, whose repressive war time domestic policy that betrayed his progressive ideals he claimed to hold to, had given a rebirth to the Klan.
Roosevelt, unfortunately felt that with the political realities of the time, went out of his way to keep the south which was at the time solidly Democrat, including not speaking out against the KKK.


I agree...they were subjected to difficult political decisions (no different to Biden doing deals with segregationists).

But my point is the people who put the racists into office are still around...they masquerade nowadays as republican voters.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


That is untrue. A Nazi is a Nazi, not a Republican or libertarian. Why the urgency to use this argument to take a stand for the extreme right?


LOL I knew you would go to your default "why are you defending" routine. You are next to impossible to communicate with because you misinterpret so much of what I am saying which results in so many non sequitur replies from you.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:28 am

Cyberdad. You did not read the entirety of the link you sent us.

I wish everybody here would read that link.

There is no evidence that Harding and Coolidge actually joined the Klan. They might have been racists, but they also spoke out against racism. It was even alleged that Harding had “black blood.”

Woodrow Wilson was stated to be sort of a prime candidate. He was more of a racist than either Harding or Coolidge. There is no evidence that he joined the Klan.

Truman did, briefly.....but he soon had a falling out with them, and demanded his $10 membership fee back. He did, as President, begin the integration of the Armed Forces. He spoke out specifically against the anti-Catholicism of the Klan, rather than their anti-black bias specifically.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:32 am

I’m not saying all these people weren’t racists. They probably were.

But not enough to believe in the radical, nutty ideas of the Klan.

Again, Harding was actually called a “n*****r lover.”

Whenever any link is sent, it should be read thoroughly.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:38 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


That is untrue. A Nazi is a Nazi, not a Republican or libertarian. Why the urgency to use this argument to take a stand for the extreme right?


LOL I knew you would go to your default "why are you defending" routine. You are next to impossible to communicate with because you misinterpret so much of what I am saying which results in so many non sequitur replies from you.


I'm sorry, but that's the impression you're leaving me with. You seem to be saying that not all conservatives are Nazis - which is true - but also that far right extremists are being demonized with the Nazi label.


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22 Oct 2019, 5:41 am

Anybody who professes to be believe in Nazi ideology, and admires Hitler, is a neo-Nazi....no matter whether that somebody was violent owing to that ideology, or not.

Just like anybody who professes to believe in Stalinism is a Stalinist....no matter whether or not violence was committed under that ideology.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:46 am

Not all far-right extremists are neo-Nazis....but many are.

The members of the Klan are not neo-Nazis specifically.....but they share many features with neo-Nazis.

Numerically, there aren’t that many far-right extremists....but we still have to be vigilant about them.



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22 Oct 2019, 6:59 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


That is untrue. A Nazi is a Nazi, not a Republican or libertarian. Why the urgency to use this argument to take a stand for the extreme right?


LOL I knew you would go to your default "why are you defending" routine. You are next to impossible to communicate with because you misinterpret so much of what I am saying which results in so many non sequitur replies from you.


I'm sorry, but that's the impression you're leaving me with. You seem to be saying that not all conservatives are Nazis - which is true - but also that far right extremists are being demonized with the Nazi label.


Like I said. You misinterpret what is actually being said. And on a strange level. Did you think to consider that your interpretation of me saying that mass murderers are being demonized by being called nazis makes no sense and that it's extremely unlikely I would say such a thing? And that maybe you shoud reread what I wrote or come up with a more likely interpretation?



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22 Oct 2019, 1:05 pm

EzraS wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if a person isn't a lone murderer, or a member of a Nazi organization, if he or she takes to heart the Nazi ideology, then he or she is a Nazi. If a person doesn't believe in exterminating non-whites, so called race traitors, Jews, then he or she shouldn't worry about being implicated with the Neo-Nazi movement.

Says the guy who’s said in past anyone who voted for trump is a nazi.
Modern definition of nazi: anyone who’s not a liberal democrat.


Exactamundo. I see it being taken in that direction.


Those who espouse white supremacist or white nationalist ideology shouldn't be surprised to discover they're labelled as Nazis. Those who defend and enable the former also shouldn't be too surprised they're labelled as such.

There's an easy way to avoid this, don't espouse white supremacist rhetoric and don't make excuses for them. This notion that you and Sly are whining about really just sounds like someone has been triggered over a spade being properly labelled as a spade.


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22 Oct 2019, 2:52 pm

Yes how dare someone supoort and defend the bill of rights and constitution. Defending freedom makes one a nazi. :roll:


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22 Oct 2019, 4:12 pm

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Yes how dare someone supoort and defend the bill of rights and constitution. Defending freedom makes one a nazi. :roll:


I do not think anyone here has said that.


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