Women given death threats over playing frisbee

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EzraS
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12 Nov 2019, 8:38 am

Morality, yikes!



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12 Nov 2019, 9:11 am

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... womens breasts, penises and vaginas are what get covered up. There's obviously a reason for that. I think it's silly to pretend otherwise.
For some women, I imaging that physical support and comfort are more of a consideration than submitting to some puritanical prude's idea of "decency".  As for covering up the genital-anal area, there may be some issues of sanitation involved (i.e., "skid-marks", et cetera).
So you're saying there is a sanitation issue involved with nudist colonies, beaches and saunas etc?  How often does the health department get involved with that.  Do they go to such places to inspect for skid-marks etc?
The phrase I meant was "personal hygiene", not "sanitation", but you bring up a valid point.  How often does the local health department go in to nudist colonies and take swab-samples of chairs, benches, couches and so forth?  It might be worth looking into.


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12 Nov 2019, 9:43 am

If someone wants to go topless, I don't really care. In situations like sun bathing it could even make a bit of sense, regarding tan lines and heat.

I would ask who here has breasts? Breasts flop... participating in an activity will activate the flopping. Flopping is no fun and can cause soreness... given the choice, I'd rather have the sweat beads. I would challenge the woman only to admit that she wanted the attention. If she said she wanted the attention in a state where toplessness is legal, I would consider her to be a person of integrity. To use the excuse that the heat overcame her, so she flopped around is hardly believable in my own personal experience as a female.

If she's flat chested, I could buy the heat thing.


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12 Nov 2019, 5:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... womens breasts, penises and vaginas are what get covered up. There's obviously a reason for that. I think it's silly to pretend otherwise.
For some women, I imaging that physical support and comfort are more of a consideration than submitting to some puritanical prude's idea of "decency".  As for covering up the genital-anal area, there may be some issues of sanitation involved (i.e., "skid-marks", et cetera).
So you're saying there is a sanitation issue involved with nudist colonies, beaches and saunas etc?  How often does the health department get involved with that.  Do they go to such places to inspect for skid-marks etc?
The phrase I meant was "personal hygiene", not "sanitation", but you bring up a valid point.  How often does the local health department go in to nudist colonies and take swab-samples of chairs, benches, couches and so forth?  It might be worth looking into.


After this one thing is for sure. I will never visit one of those places now. :eew:



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12 Nov 2019, 5:54 pm

I've never been to a nudist colony myself----but I'm sure the people in them take baths and showers.



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12 Nov 2019, 6:37 pm

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I've never been to a nudist colony myself----but I'm sure the people in them take baths and showers.


I am sure they bathe, but I think the point about sanitary us since there are no skivvies or anything to act as a barrier when sitting down so a waiting room chair might still have as many germs as a public toilet.



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13 Nov 2019, 12:43 am

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Who is lying? You are lying. Saying death threats were made is a lie, it is something that you made up.


Others have already said it...a male threatening a female online is physical intimidation.

I'll repeat the use of the term "liberal scum" because she exercised the right to go topless on her own property means she will probably have sleep problems worrying about a right wing nutjob peppering her house with bullets.

We already know right wingers don't like black kids playing in their front yard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_wyHS3xZc



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13 Nov 2019, 1:03 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Who is lying? You are lying. Saying death threats were made is a lie, it is something that you made up.


Others have already said it...a male threatening a female online is physical intimidation.

I'll repeat the use of the term "liberal scum" because she exercised the right to go topless on her own property means she will probably have sleep problems worrying about a right wing nutjob peppering her house with bullets.

We already know right wingers don't like black kids playing in their front yard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_wyHS3xZc


No one made death treats against her. You made that up. You lied.



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13 Nov 2019, 1:07 am

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A threat is a threat.....I feel like a threat to harm is just about equivalent to a death threat.

Only a nut would get his/herself wound up over somebody playing frisbee topless. I would tell the person to get a friggin' life.


Good point.


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13 Nov 2019, 1:16 am

EzraS wrote:
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Who is lying? You are lying. Saying death threats were made is a lie, it is something that you made up.


Others have already said it...a male threatening a female online is physical intimidation.

I'll repeat the use of the term "liberal scum" because she exercised the right to go topless on her own property means she will probably have sleep problems worrying about a right wing nutjob peppering her house with bullets.

We already know right wingers don't like black kids playing in their front yard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_wyHS3xZc


No one made death treats against her. You made that up. You lied.


How do you know the nature of the threats weren't insinuating harm? as usual bending over backwards to defend vile right wing trolls



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13 Nov 2019, 1:25 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Who is lying? You are lying. Saying death threats were made is a lie, it is something that you made up.


Others have already said it...a male threatening a female online is physical intimidation.

I'll repeat the use of the term "liberal scum" because she exercised the right to go topless on her own property means she will probably have sleep problems worrying about a right wing nutjob peppering her house with bullets.

We already know right wingers don't like black kids playing in their front yard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_wyHS3xZc


No one made death treats against her. You made that up. You lied.


How do you know the nature of the threats weren't insinuating harm? as usual bending over backwards to defend vile right wing trolls



Effie Krokos specified the wording of what was said to her. I heard her talking about what was said to her in a televised interview. That is how I know.

You on the other hand lied about her receiving death treats.



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13 Nov 2019, 1:31 am

EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Who is lying? You are lying. Saying death threats were made is a lie, it is something that you made up.


Others have already said it...a male threatening a female online is physical intimidation.

I'll repeat the use of the term "liberal scum" because she exercised the right to go topless on her own property means she will probably have sleep problems worrying about a right wing nutjob peppering her house with bullets.

We already know right wingers don't like black kids playing in their front yard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_wyHS3xZc


No one made death treats against her. You made that up. You lied.


How do you know the nature of the threats weren't insinuating harm? as usual bending over backwards to defend vile right wing trolls



Effie Krokos specified the wording of what was said to her. I heard her talking about what was said to her in a televised interview. That is how I know.

You on the other hand lied about her receiving death treats.


You're taking the discussion off topic. Let's talk about what kind of nutcase would threaten a woman because she unthinkingly played frisbee in her backyard with her shirt off. That would make for a much more productive conversation.


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13 Nov 2019, 2:38 am

beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Who is lying? You are lying. Saying death threats were made is a lie, it is something that you made up.


Others have already said it...a male threatening a female online is physical intimidation.

I'll repeat the use of the term "liberal scum" because she exercised the right to go topless on her own property means she will probably have sleep problems worrying about a right wing nutjob peppering her house with bullets.

We already know right wingers don't like black kids playing in their front yard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_wyHS3xZc


No one made death treats against her. You made that up. You lied.


How do you know the nature of the threats weren't insinuating harm? as usual bending over backwards to defend vile right wing trolls



Effie Krokos specified the wording of what was said to her. I heard her talking about what was said to her in a televised interview. That is how I know.

You on the other hand lied about her receiving death treats.


You're taking the discussion off topic. Let's talk about what kind of nutcase would threaten a woman because she unthinkingly played frisbee in her backyard with her shirt off. That would make for a much more productive conversation.


The title of this thread is "woman given death threats over playing frisbee" and I am pointing out that is a lie, which is obviously completely on topic.

The title of the news article cyberdad posted is:

" A US woman charged with indecent A US woman charged with indecent exposure for playing frisbee topless has been awarded a $US50,000 ($A73,000) settlement. for playing frisbee topless has been awarded a $US50,000 ($A73,000) settlement."

Which is really primarily what the actual story and subject is about. New laws and unprecedented large sum awards being given over a citation.

cyberdad obviously wanted to make it about "violent conservative white males making death threats to woman" which resulted in him lying.



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13 Nov 2019, 2:48 am

I tried to see if I could find a picture of what her yard looked like.

I wouldn't be topless, but if I were and someone reported me, I would be very anxious to know how they had seen me.


She wasn't running down the road. Did she have a privacy fence? I realize that one wouldn't be necessary with the law that was passed, but it would be interesting to know if the neighbor had to break their neck to see the woman. Or peek


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13 Nov 2019, 2:58 am

This is Effie Krokos, in her front yard (presumably), detaling her experience.



People make stupid calls to the police and 911 all the time. People make stupid comments on social meadia 24/7. Neither of those issues are really the actual issue.

The actual issue is the police issuing Effie Krokos a citation she did not deserve, due to a new law they were unaware of, which resulted in her receiving a very large sum of money.

And the whole thing basically being a big victory for "Free The Nipple".



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13 Nov 2019, 3:39 am

EzraS wrote:
The title of the news article cyberdad posted is:

" A US woman charged with indecent A US woman charged with indecent exposure for playing frisbee topless has been awarded a $US50,000 ($A73,000) settlement. for playing frisbee topless has been awarded a $US50,000 ($A73,000) settlement."

Which is really primarily what the actual story and subject is about. New laws and unprecedented large sum awards being given over a citation.

cyberdad obviously wanted to make it about "violent conservative white males making death threats to woman" which resulted in him lying.


The article mentioned many things including what you are harping on about. That doesn't change the following things

- the neighbor was ignorant that Krokos wasn't breaking the law
- the police officer (Harris) did not correctly understand or was trained to deal with such cases and mishandled it
- She decided to file a formal complaint after receiving the citation, which turned into a large settlement after the charge was dropped by the city.
- After name was in the news Ms Krokos told CBS 4 that people had threatened her over the past couple of months, with some calling her “liberal scum”.

There's no pretending this never happened....